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From: "Jason Voegele" <voegele.6@osu.edu>
Subject: Re: (urth) Time
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:22:49
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lasrach said:
I think the reference to the humans of Sev's time having changed a =
good deal takes place when Sev. emerges from the mine at Saltus and =
chats to Jonas re the possible origin of the man apes. Sev wonders aloud =
why humans haven't changed & Jonas gives him one of his long hard looks =
to indicate that he's wrong. A bit vague, I know, but I don't have the =
books to hand.
Good call! Here it is: II, Ch. 8, p. 260 of Shadow & Claw
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(Jonas and Severian are discussing the origin of the man-apes)
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Jonas:
"I don't know whether your man-apes are the same kind of hybrid...I =
would be inclined to agree with you that they are human beings who have =
undergone some change in their essential nature as a result of their =
life in the mines and their contact with the relics of the city buried =
there. Urth is very old now...Gold and silver do not alter, but their =
guardians can suffer metamorphoses stranger than those that turn grapes =
to wine and sand to pearls."
Severian:
"But we outside endure the dark each night, and the treasures =
carried up from the mines are brought to us. Why haven't we changed =
too?" Jonas did not answer...Still, when he turned to face me there was =
something in his eyes that told me I was being a fool, that we had =
changed. He turned away again and stared out and up once more.
Voegele
-----Original Message-----
From: Kieran Cleary <kierannwn@tinet.ie>
To: urth@lists.best.com <urth@lists.best.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: (urth) Time
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I think the reference to the humans of Sev's time having changed a =
good deal takes place when Sev. emerges from the mine at Saltus and =
chats to Jonas re the possible origin of the man apes. Sev wonders aloud =
why humans haven't changed & Jonas gives him one of his long hard looks =
to indicate that he's wrong. A bit vague, I know, but I don't have the =
books to hand.
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-lasrach
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North West Labs
Finisklin Industrial Estate
Sligo
Republic of Ireland
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Tel. +353 71 69441
Fax. +353 71 69451
email: kierannwn@tinet.ie
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2>Good =
call! Here it=20
is: <STRONG>II, Ch. 8, p. 260 of Shadow & =
Claw</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>(Jonas and Severian are discussing the origin of the =
man-apes)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><U><STRONG>Jonas</STRONG></U>:</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2>"I don't know whether your man-apes are =
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turn grapes to wine and sand to pearls."</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><STRONG><U><FONT size=3D2>Severian</U>:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></STRONG>"But we outside endure =
the=20
dark each night, and the treasures carried up from the mines are =
brought to=20
us. Why haven't we changed too?" Jonas did not=20
answer...Still, when he turned to face me there was something in his =
eyes=20
that told me I was being a fool, that we <EM>had</EM> changed. =
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turned away again and stared out and up once =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Voegele</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
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</B>Kieran Cleary <<A=20
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</B><A=20
href=3D"mailto:urth@lists.best.com">urth@lists.best.com</A> <<A=20
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</B>Tuesday, February 03, 1998 9:35 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: (urth) =
Time<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I think the reference to the =
humans of Sev's=20
time having changed a good deal takes place when Sev. emerges from =
the mine=20
at Saltus and chats to Jonas re the possible origin of the man apes. =
Sev=20
wonders aloud why humans haven't changed & Jonas gives him one =
of his=20
long hard looks to indicate that he's wrong. A bit vague, I know, =
but I=20
don't have the books to hand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>-lasrach</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>North West Labs<BR>Finisklin =
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Estate<BR>Sligo<BR>Republic of Ireland</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Tel. +353 71 69441<BR>Fax. +353 =
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69451<BR>email: <A=20
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