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From: David_Lebling@avid.com Subject: (urth) Palaemon != Severian; _TBOTNS-1_ Date: Mon, 4 May 98 13:31:43 >re: Dan Parmenter, on Palaemon = Severian0 I don't think I buy that one. It's more in the nature of the scene in the typical coming-of-age story where the older mentor reveals, usually when the protagonist is in some hot water, that he too had trouble with the law/guild/church/whatever when he was a sprout. Of course, being part of a Wolfe story, it isn't presented quite that straightforwardly. The plot outline that Wolfe alludes to in _Castle of the Otter_ is probably the story of Sev1's life, as far as it goes. Severian himself gives a few clues as to how Sev1 could have solved his dilemma, though my strong guess is that in Wolfe's original plot it wouldn't have come off quite so easily as Sev2 imagines. Thus, I disagree with mantis; I think Sev1 indeed met and loved Thecla in his own limited way, but did not have the, um, benefit of the analeptic alzabo to bring her to life later in his own mind. Or, even more probably, as Sev1 didn't have the Claw, his memories of Thecla wouldn't last, which Wolfe points out later in the story. Thecla's direct influence on his mind is important in the "revisions" that make him succeed at his task. --viz (david_lebling@avid.com) *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/