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From: Matthew Freestone <matthew@matthewf.demon.co.uk>
Subject: (urth) black holes again...
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:57:13 +0100

Okay, this is definitely my last post on black holes unless I find some
scientific backup for either Prion's view or my own...

>The initial size of the black hole doesn't have much to do with the
>time for the cycle to complete.  Any size of a hole would complete the
>process in under a minute (probably under thirty seconds, but I'm not
This is what you keep saying, but as I pointed out in my last post,
saying it's so don't make it so. I'm assuming from your comments to
Jason V. that you aren't yourself involved in cutting edge research on
the topic, so what is the basis for your claim? I'll accept citations
from any recognised journal :-)

>The calculations that an astrophysicist would have to perform would be
>how small the initial black hole would be before the outer part of the
>star exploded before the black hole finished (as it would if the hole
>was microscopic).  I explained that stars which naturally create black
>holes at their cores (which our sun will never be able to do) either
>are going to fall entirely into the black hole (if it's big enough to
>absorb it in some number of seconds) or partially explode (if it's
>smaller and takes a few extra seconds).
I didn't respond to this theory last time, but it seems to me to ignore
the crucial point that stars that go nova are already in the process of
collapse and this is what may create a central black hole. It doesn't
follow that putting a black hole in the centre of a main-sequence star
will have the same effect.

Just to come back to your original contention that the worm in the sun
was a wormhole because it couldn't be a black hole: I think that basing
this on current physical theories doesn't really help you: 

On the one hand, wormholes are currently pure speculation on the part of
physicists - they have all kinds of weird properties that nobody knows
how to create. It's just as physically plausible to argue that it is
possible to moderate black holes absorption rates in some way (perhaps
Hawking radiation can be increased), as it is to claim that it is
possible to create wormholes.

On the other, the Urth universe is not necessarily similar to our own
anyway: there are no currently known equivalents to Briah, or to White
Fountains. Perhaps black holes work differently there.

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