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From: Dan Parmenter <dan@lec.com> Subject: (urth) Aquastors I have known and loved Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:33:48 From: mary whalen <marewhalen@yahoo.com> >In the BNS, if there is any difference between the terms eidolon and >aquastor, it seems to be that the eidolon is created from the memories >of the person being recreated. Aquastors come from the memories of >other people. The mind from which the memories for the aquastor would >not be able to tell that they were not the real people, since they >would never act in a way that the originator wouldn't believe them to >do, even if the real person would have done something different from >that. An eidolon would be exactly like the original, since it is >created from the original's memories. Actually, the eidolon would >only be a perfect copy if the original had all the memories of its >life. A being with imperfect memory would have experienced things and >have memories hidden (or unavailable) to its current memories, and >would probably actually be slightly different from the original, >though not in significant ways, since only remembered memories would >probably have affected the original anyway. I am reminded also of the Tibetan "tulpa". I was reading up on the matter on a parapsychology website and it's interesting that apparently a tulpa is sort of a phantom presence that is maintained by its creator whereas a "tulku" is more of an independent, fully-formed (though created) being. Seems to correspond pretty nicely with the aquastor/eidolon distinction. >When Sev. resurrects Thecla in his mind he had eaten part of her and >the alzabo, so he had all of her memories when giving her life >(recreating her soul in him). We can't even be sure exactly what the >process of autarchization is like to someone with imperfect memory and >without revitalizing power. I should point out that this has been discussed at some length (check the archives). D *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/