From: "Alice Turner" <al@interport.net>
Subject: (urth) Sev, heresy and a bit of Agia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:03:56 


From AD Groce responding to alga:


>I think it is suggestive, although I'm not sure it's as cynical as might
>appear.

Well, I did say "playfully cynical;" what if we change it to wry?

>As to Wolfe's 'not the sort you think' comment, he also said something
>similar in an old interview with Larry McCaffrey (don't have it with me...)
>although there (and here) it looked like the implication was more that most
>people have no idea what being a Roman Catholic means (including most
>Catholics).  I'm pretty sure Wolfe wouldn't consider himself a heretic (not
>that most heretics would...) and would, I suspect, fall into church line on
>defined doctrinal points (which leaves a lot of room for oddness--after
all, I
>doubt the Church has made a proclamation one way or the other about the
idea
>the Greek gods were real beings of some kind, for which Wolfe has expressed
>sympathy in the past).  He's orthodox enough to be a huge Chesterton fan,
>anyway...

But I didn't say that Wolfe was/is a heretic. I said that in his grand sword
'n sorcery revision of the New Testament (including Revelation) he made sure
that the name of his hero, as opposed to the names of everyone else in the
cast, is that of a heretic. (I use revision in the Harold Bloomian sense,
which I consider spot on in this particular case, and I hope I won't have to
explain that to anyone, though I dourly suppose that I will.) I *love* the
fact (new for me) that it's a heretic name.

>And I would say that despite some terminological and mythological
>borrowings, the BOTNS is philosophically quite anti-Manichean.  The
Pancreator
>is fairly clearly fills both the 'God' and 'Creator' slots, and rather than
>despising the physical as inferior or absolutely corrupt, good old earthy
>Severian ends up taking off his boots because it's ALL Holy Ground.  :)


But yes, with reservations about Erebus, Abaia & co., who are echoing the
more dualist parts of Revelation.  I said that Dr. Talos's play is
Manichaean. Which it certainly is--the gothic tradition to which Baldanders,
Talos and all horror novelists belong is necessarily dualistic.

FWIW, my personal portrait of Agia and her agenda is the identical twin of
mantis's, though perhaps mine wouldn't have been phrased so elegantly.
Though the last time I was agreeable enough to agree with someone, I got
flamed for it. Grrrrrrr.

-alga





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