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From: "Ye Olde Mothman" <mothman@peak.org> Subject: (urth) Julian Jaynes' Bicameral Brain Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:57:54 Has Julian Jaynes' theory expressed in "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" ever been discused in relation to Wolfe's "Soldier of the Mist?" If I read it right, Jaynes beleives that self consciousness didn't develop until about 500 B.C. and that any internal voices, motivations, or initiative, prior to this thinking shift, would have been attributed to Gods -- that in the Iliad, when the gods speak they are only heard by the heroes they are speaking too -- this is what makes humans act. Sounds like the situation the character in Wolfe's book finds himself -- hallucinating gods, being at their mercy, no real concept of having a say in what's going on around him. Maybe not... "Even Bedouins hate their Phone Company!" -The President's Analyst *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/