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From: Jon Camfield <GriffJon@Mail.UTexas.edu> Subject: (urth) Thus Spoke Severian? (Nietzsche links) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:35:35 (Yah, I's been quiet. I's been busy. OTOH, I did have a chance to read lots of Nietzsche, and find a few parallels, only one striking one) In _On the Uses and Disadvantages of History for Live (1874), Nietzsche argued that man must live as a balance between remembering and forgetting, and one passage in particular struck me: "Cheerfulness, the good conscience, the joyful deed, confidence in the future -- all of them depend, in the case of the individual as of a nation, on the existence of a line dividing the bright and discernable from the unilluminable and dark; on one's being just as able to forget at the right time as to remember at the right time; on the possession of a powerful instinct for sensing when it is necessary to feel historically and when unhistorically. This, precisely, is the proposition the reader is invited to meditate upon: /the unhistorical and the historical are necessary in equal measure for the health of an individual, of a people and of a culture/." (/../ specify italics, Nietzsche's.) Now, not to overanalyze, (but I wish I knew if Wolfe had read Nietzsche!), but "line dividing the bright ... and dark"? Terminus Est, you mean? Or what about Severian being the 'memory' for a culture living in the present moment (living unhistorically) while immersed in it? And in being the opposite extreme, gives a healthy balance? Also, in _Thus Spoke Zarathustra_, Zara announces the future of humanity as having two possible courses, one towards the Last Man (no lie!), of a future bright in technology and comfort, but immersed in decadence and eventual death, and that of the Superhuman/Overman, who is a dramatic change from current man, an evolution from him, but more a revolution in (moral) thought-- Ash, master of the Last House vs. the Green Man? ...nahhhh. ;) Has anyone else read these connections into Nietzsche, or (as is likely) seen ones I missed? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Camfield "GriffJon" |Webmaster, Plan II Honors Program: GriffJon@mail.utexas.edu | www.dla.utexas.edu/~plan2 Homepage, Gallery, Resume: |Channel Manager, Undernet #Poetry ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~griffjon | www.tripod.com/~ircpoetry ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Behold the good and the just! Whom do they hate the most? The man who breaks their tables of values, the breaker, the lawbreaker; yes he is the creator" --Nietzsche, _Thus Spoke Zarathustra_ *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/