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From: Alex David Groce <Alex_Groce@gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: (urth) Liars, TWHF Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:57:18 (All re: Roy's post) This interpretation of BOTNS can be supported from the text, with a lot of work, but I strongly disagree with it. It seems to me that you're seeing smalland largely disputable points in Severian's narrative as evidence that (A) Severianis a bald-faced liar and the narrative we have is not merely incomplete, but actually a complete distortion of actual events we can never, in any way, know, and (B) the cosmic plan outlined (why we should believe in it at all, I'm unsure--why not say Severian is a poor torturer's apprentice who, in a fever, dreams he is a savior of the world?) is in fact the work of what seems almost a fallen angel, or, perhaps, as others have stated some time ago on the list, a kind of sneaky colonization plan by Empire-builders from Yesod :). As I argued before, this way lies complete literary solipsism--given that Severian acknowledges that he lies to other people from time to time (which strikes me as the admission of a fairly honest narrator) and that his memory is, I would argue, perfect enough that Severian certainly BELIEVES it to be accurate to call it perfect, and given the fact that at least some of the inconsistencies are pointers to the existence of more than one past for Severian (or more than one Severian, depending on how you look it)--this is a fairly difficult interpretation to reach. Ignoring the fact that from external evidence Wolfe didn't mean BOTNS/Urth to be an ironic examination of a liar's distortion of his past, it seems to break a general Occam's razor of narrative: before one interprets a narrator as unreliable to this extreme (willful lying, as opposed to incompleteness or misunderstanding), I think it's best to have MUCH stronger evidence than what has been given. Some of the points are certainly worth bringing up, and I myself have swung over more to thinking that Severian only has a VERY powerful memory, but imperfect, and only believes himself to have a perfect memory. However, I think the extrapolation is unreasonable. In fact, given this approach, I'm curious--could you elaborate on what you see BOTNS as "about," in this case? It strikes me that most of the underlying themes I see in it are undercut by this interpretation (which reminds me of the "Weer is a mass-murderer, and kills EVERYONE in Cassionville" version of PEACE). The statement: "He is like all those oh-so-dangerous-people who are absolutely convinced that they are Right; *they have no scruples* when it comes to establishing what they think is Right--especially when they have the power to impose their beliefs on others." would seem to be the heart of this conception, but I don't for a moment believe Wolfe meant to make such a cliched idea the heart of his masterpiece. Anyway, I have a feeling Wolfe is, to some extent, one of those "oh-so-dangerous-people who are absolutely convinced that they are Right", in the sense being considered here. I think the text makes it clear that despite the awful price, <the author> thinks that Severian was absolutely right to bring the New Sun's purging floods, and avoid the safe but ultimately dead future of "Ragnarok." Typhon's there for contrast, not as a mirror of the narrator. (By the way, Tzad's laughter as Small Tzad strikes me as being possibly related to Chesterton's comment that the one thing never heard in the Gospels in Jesus' laughter, possibly because the humor of God is too awesome for us to behold.) "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32 -- Alex David Groce (agroce+@cs.cmu.edu) Ph.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department 8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/