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From: Ouroboros <ottofaij@yahoo.com> Subject: (urth) Religion of the New Sun Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:45:22 I seem to recall from the published edition of his letters (publisher Houton-Mifflen sp?) that when people asked J.R.R. Tolkien (also Catholic) if "Lord of the Rings" were a Christian allegory, he said "No, I just can't write that way". I also, recall him conceding that despite his devout, and practicing Faith, there was no real Religion in Middle Earth (unless you count the Swarthy Men's worship of Sauron), let alone a Judeo-Christian one. Although the Middle Earth sub-creation was supposedly placed in the nether-pre-historic past, it *was* still sub-creation. To insert the super-reality of his Faith into a fragile sub-creation would rend it to shreds and blur the line between Fantasy and Reality. While TBOTNS is set in the distant future, it is not speculative SF. Wolfe is NOT trying to argue that this is a possible future. I know there's an Increate in TBOTNS, there's one at the beginning of the Silmarilion. That's not religion. Wolfe is just trying to tell an interesting, plausible story. So despite the reference to a Christian saint, Wolfe is NOT speculating about the possible future of the Body of Christ. St. Catherine of Alexandria is a useful motif for TBOTNS because roses and torture are an important element of her story. I'll also point out that of all the canonized saints Wolfe could have selected, he chose one whose very existence is all but certainly fictional, whose feast day the Catholic Church has removed from the calendar. Finally, in an interview Wolfe balked at the opportunity to say that "Severian is Jesus". He said instead...I know it's not in the story's text but he said it none the less...that Severian is a "Christ-figure" not Jesus. While he's suggested that he believes Jesus made crosses (ala "The Last Temptation of Christ"), Wolfe clearly does not intend to map "one to one" Severian and Wolfe's Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Roy's right. It would be blasphemous to equate Jesus and Severian. Severian is a kind of messiah ("promised one") and Wolfe points to that fact by creating a Temptation in the Wilderness scene between Sev and Typhon. He's the "head" and "savior of his race". But he's only "a" messiah not "the" Messiah. And a fictional one to boot. So speculation about how the biblical promises of God and the Hope of the faithful apply in TBOTNS is senseless because they don't. One is a something Wolfe has committed his life to and the other is a story he made up. -Ouroboros __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/