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From: "Timothy Reilly" <treilly@ozemail.com.au> Subject: (urth) Long Sun - worth it? etc Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:08:22 +1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF9A51.68C172C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re my posting on difficulty in even getting started on the Long Sun = books because of the writing style some months ago in urth.v028.n079 and = replies in n080-n082, I took the advice given and read OBW - and loved = it. So then I went back and made myself read all the Long Sun books in = one hit (assisted by mantis' booklets). I still think Long Sun is very disappointing. The third person style of = diction chosen is flat and to my mind rather boring, anaesthetising = Wolfe's linguistic genius (so on display in OBW and TBNS). The ideas, = while interesting, did not require four volumes to present. As for the = meticulous plotting suggested by Alice Turner, I can only say this was = not evident to me - on the contrary I had the impression that unlike = TBNS the series was not fully written in advance, if only because Exodus = is twice as long as the three preceding volumes. Nor did much of the = plotting seem to lead anywhere - to take one random example, what was = the value of the long (and boring, at least to me) chapter on the visit = to the talus factory in Exodus? Anyway, tastes differ, but there's no reason to be hagiographic of = everything produced by Wolfe on this list - if we weren't all great = admirers we probably wouldn't be here. There is simply no comparison = between (say) TBNS and Pandora by Holly Hollander, even though they = share the same author. We shouldn't be afraid to speak our minds when = we think something's not up to scratch, as has also been suggested on = this list about Strange Travellers recently (which I haven't yet read, = but I tend to like Wolfe's work less the shorter it gets - my favourite = short stories of his are Seven Amercian Nights and The Detective of = Dreams, both on the long side for shorts). OBW (which I'm rereading now in preparation for In Green's Jungles) is = wonderful, I'm pleased to say. The language is utterly beautiful, and = its ruminations on gods (existence of or otherwise), family, mortality, = sex and love struck me as perhaps the most personal thing Wolfe has ever = written. Indeed it seemed to me to be full of premonitions of death and = a desire by Wolfe to end his writing career on a high note (not that I = have any idea about his health I hasten to add). Finally, does Wolfe have a thing about brothels or what? Featured = prominently in 5HC and the Long Sun series, and also in TBNS, especially = Shadow. Where does this interest come from I wonder? Korean War? = Or...? ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF9A51.68C172C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2014.210" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3>Re my posting on difficulty in even getting started = on the=20 Long Sun books because of the writing style some months ago in = urth.v028.n079=20 and replies in n080-n082, I took the advice given and read OBW - and = loved=20 it. So then I went back and made myself read all the Long Sun = books in one=20 hit (assisted by mantis' booklets).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3>I still think Long Sun is very = disappointing. The=20 third person style of diction chosen is flat and to my mind rather = boring,=20 anaesthetising Wolfe's linguistic genius (so on display in OBW and = TBNS). =20 The ideas, while interesting, did not require four volumes to = present. As=20 for the meticulous plotting suggested by Alice Turner, I can only say = this was=20 not evident to me - on the contrary I had the impression that = unlike TBNS=20 the series was not fully written in advance, if only because Exodus is = twice as=20 long as the three preceding volumes. Nor did much of the plotting = seem to=20 lead anywhere - to take one random example, what was the value of the = long (and=20 boring, at least to me) chapter on the visit to the talus factory in=20 Exodus?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, tastes differ, but there's no reason to be = hagiographic of=20 everything produced by Wolfe on this list - if we weren't all great = admirers we=20 probably wouldn't be here. There is simply no comparison between = (say)=20 TBNS and Pandora by Holly Hollander, even though they share the same=20 author. We shouldn't be afraid to speak our minds when we think=20 something's not up to scratch, as has also been suggested on this list = about=20 Strange Travellers recently (which I haven't yet read, but I tend to = like=20 Wolfe's work less the shorter it gets - my favourite short stories of = his are=20 Seven Amercian Nights and The Detective of Dreams, both on the long side = for=20 shorts).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OBW (which I'm rereading now in preparation for In Green's Jungles) = is=20 wonderful, I'm pleased to say. The language is utterly beautiful,=20 and its ruminations on gods (existence of or otherwise), family, = mortality,=20 sex and love struck me as perhaps the most personal thing Wolfe has ever = written. Indeed it seemed to me to be full of premonitions of = death and a=20 desire by Wolfe to end his writing career on a high note (not that I = have any=20 idea about his health I hasten to add).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Finally, does Wolfe have a thing about brothels or what? = Featured=20 prominently in 5HC and the Long Sun series, and also in TBNS, especially = Shadow. Where does this interest come from I wonder? Korean=20 War? Or...?</DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF9A51.68C172C0-- *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/