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From: eli+@gs211.sp.cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: (urth) Re: Digest urth.v030.n119 Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:22:02 Spectacled Bear wrote: > At 20:56 2001-05-24, alga wrote: > >But let me tell you something really fascinating. Kids *love* the third > >book. Interesting. I wonder whether the difference is that they don't feel the flaws that many adults do, or that they feel certain strengths more strongly. > Leaving everything more or less as it was before, only better, is > characteristic of children's fantasy [one more reason to admire Alan > Garner's _The Moon of Gomrath_, which doesn't]. Retargeting a bit, what about leaving everything more or less like it is in our world, whether it started that way or not? Oooh, this can get my dander up, and it's not just children's fantasy either. Some authors write as if I can't bring anything home from the book unless it reads right up to my door, and slams the door behind me to boot. > Here I think it serves > the didactic purpose of encouraging us to build the republic of heaven > where *we* are: it isn't Will and Lyra who would spend all their time > searching for a second window - they would have a private one, hidden > in the back of a wardrobe - it is us. > > Hey, I convinced myself! > But I'm still cross. That didactic purpose I can appreciate, but he weakens it by forcing the story. He tried to set up "Cold Equations"-style plot mechanism which threatens global disaster to _coerce_ Will and Lyra's decision -- rather than letting us see what their own wisdom leads them to decide. That's a lesser story. I remember that my reading experience when I hit this was not one bit high-mindedly didactified, but was on the same mechanical level as his setup: but but but the Dust ecology is not at risk, because brief openings don't leak on the scale of the natural influx we've seen, and creating Specters is no problem with a little help, since the angel has said she can deal with those. If it had occurred to Will and Lyra that the obstacles were not absolute, they could have gone on to ask more interesting questions: what if everybody did it? are we special, to justify it? And the question Pullman didn't dare to ask them: even if we can, should we? In a way, he did quite right. I don't know that they would have answered the way he wanted. The honest story, I want to call it though I really shouldn't, might be a tragedy. -- Eli Brandt | eli+@cs.cmu.edu | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~eli/ *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/