Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 19:03:52 -0600
From: James Jordan 
Subject: Re: (urth) For Joe: more nasty puns

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The horn falling into the pit may be righter than you realize. AS I recall, 
in "A Story by John Marsch" in 5th Head, there is some description of two 
large stones and a bush that have something to do with procreation. This is 
way back in my mind. Some 5th Head expert needs to clarify my memory for 
us. Anyway, it seems that Wolfe does use geography this way.

Nutria

At 12:42 PM 2/3/2002, you wrote:
>Hey Joe.  If you wanted another Fruedian association in Wolfe, then the name
>of the narrator Horn offers a few.  I'm sure we've discussed the 
>Shakespearian
>connotation of horns and cuckholdry, and the Horn as male genitals from
>"Hornbus, you whore" of Nightside the long sun (which, I believe, if you will
>forgive my crudity, invokes fellatio).  Here is one more that might be just
>coincidental: Horn falls in that big pit on the island.  If you buy my theory
>that this recreates the vanished people by hybridizing man and tree, then 
>Horn
>acts as an impregnating phallus "lost in the big woods".  Unlike naming the
>taverns "the cock" and "the bush", I am not willing to say that this Horn 
>in a
>pit is intentional on Wolfe's part.  I just recall being traumatized by the
>description of Jolenta's private parts as an unhatched chick or something in
>The Claw of the Conciliator in the fifth grade or so.  That's a pretty scary
>description to a young boy. And then there is that whole iron dingus scene in
>the Claw that always catches me by surprise.
>Please forgive the crudity of this post.
>Marc Aramini
>
>
>
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The horn falling into the pit may be righter than you
realize. AS I recall, in "A Story by John Marsch" in 5th Head,
there is some description of two large stones and a bush that have
something to do with procreation. This is way back in my mind. Some 5th
Head expert needs to clarify my memory for us. Anyway, it seems that
Wolfe does use geography this way.


Nutria


At 12:42 PM 2/3/2002, you wrote:

Hey Joe.  If you wanted
another Fruedian association in Wolfe, then the name 

of the narrator Horn offers a few.  I'm sure we've discussed the
Shakespearian 

connotation of horns and cuckholdry, and the Horn as male genitals from


"Hornbus, you whore" of Nightside the long sun (which, I
believe, if you will 

forgive my crudity, invokes fellatio).  Here is one more that might
be just 

coincidental: Horn falls in that big pit on the island.  If you buy
my theory 

that this recreates the vanished people by hybridizing man and tree, then
Horn 

acts as an impregnating phallus "lost in the big woods". 
Unlike naming the 

taverns "the cock" and "the bush", I am not willing
to say that this Horn in a 

pit is intentional on Wolfe's part.  I just recall being traumatized
by the 

description of Jolenta's private parts as an unhatched chick or something
in 

The Claw of the Conciliator in the fifth grade or so.  That's a
pretty scary 

description to a young boy. And then there is that whole iron dingus
scene in 

the Claw that always catches me by surprise.

Please forgive the crudity of this post.

Marc Aramini





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