From: "Alice K. Turner"
Subject: Re: (urth) Thoughts on Undines, and other ramblings Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:36:53 -0400 From: "Robert Borski" The landbound Blattid arguing: > > "The undines, as near as can be told, _are_ homo sapiens -- they are more > advanced cases of the process to which Baldanders has been subjecting > himself." > > Not sure I agree with this. Definitely don't agree with this--i.e. agree with RB. > For starters the names "Juturna" and "Idas" derive from classical mythology, > and if we adhere to Wolfe's rule of names--a rule I believe to be > inviolable--such beings are aliens. Contrast this with "Baldanders," which > comes to us from Borges via Grimelshausen--quite another kettle of fish in > my opinion. Quite correct, and see my earlier comments on undines and Rhinemaidens. > There's also evidence that they experience time in a direction opposite to > ours. In URTH at least, when Severian asks Juturna if she remembers saving > him as a boy, she responds, "No. It hasn't yet happened. It will, because > you spoke." That's because, as a mythological creature, she has access to Brook Madrigot/corridors of time-traveling, not because she is living backward, as the hierodules do. > Idas, I've also argued before, may well be the daughter of Baldanders. > Severian's first guess is that she's ten years old, which would make her the > right age if Baldanders mated with Juturna after the Piteous Gate incident. > (This would also help explain why Baldanders can breathe > underwater--Severian is offered the same gift for mating with Juturna. "You > will breathe--by our gift--as easily as you breathe the thin, weak wind > here.") Idas also proudly admits to burning the letter from Malrubius > proclaiming Severian to be the true Autarch of Urth--something which may > have especially grated upon her father, since he too was once in the running > for the New Sun candidacy. And lastly, Idas is a nested name--save for one > letter, being derivable from Baldanders--a pattern Wolfe uses over and over > and over in BotNS to confer relatedness. I think this is nonsense, or, more politely, highly speculative. And Idas is not a nested name. His twin was Lynceas. All Idas means is " from or of Mt. Ida" (in Africa) which doesn't explain much. Ida as a female name is from a different tradition. > Also argued here, but never accepted, is the notion that Blue's Mother is an > underwater godling meant to host the eventually downloaded Scylla--just as > the other godlings were designed to host Pas, Echidna, and various sprats > once planetfall had been achieved. O heavens, what conceivable evidence is there for this?!! -alga --