From: "James Wynn"
Subject: RE: (urth) arcologies like mountains Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:14:26 -0500 David A Baird said: ... the Hieros/Hierogrammates/Hierodules are creations from Urths past and now they want the new sun so that Urth can regain it's glory and then in turn recreate them again. 100K years seems too few for such a cycle. Crush asked: Wait a minute. I don't think I'm understanding this point. What possible limitations of time could the Hieros offer? They go backwards in Time, go outside of Time, drop in on Time. I presumed that Hieros were created in a future far beyond the Age of the BothNS. David responded: If there's no time limitation to the Hieros activity then why do they rely on Urth regaining its power? Now Crush says: Because...oh wait... now I understand your timeline. You are saying that the Hieros are created between our time and Severian's and that they are backing the new Sun in order to have themselves created a second time around? Right? That's not the way I read tUotNS. My recollection of my reading was that their ORIGINAL creation had been brought about by beings created by humankind AFTER the New Sun's advent, AND that those beings would *never* be created in the Future where the Dying Sun continues to decline. Dan'l has offered another fold, saying that the Hieros are created during a previous universe-cycle - I'll have to re-read the book I guess. But even so, all this takes place (relatively speaking) AFTER the advent of the New Sun. Hence, the Hieros are not goosing the Urth toward the New Sun just to replicate themselves in the future. They are ensuring their own original creation. And with Dan'l,s twist the possibility arises that THEIR eventual creation is necessary for humanity's development (and the Hiero's creation, etc.). Twisted enough for ya? --Crush --