From: "James Wynn"
Subject: RE: (urth) typhon's knowledge Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:07:37 -0600 I will say this: It has always bothered me that Typhon didn't recognize Severian since from Typhon's perspective, it had only been a short time since he saw the Concilliator. IMO this corroborates Marc's argument. -----Original Message----- From: maa32 [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 12:04 PM To: email@example.com Subject: (urth) typhon's knowledge Roy claims that Typhon knows very little about the conciliator or about flooding. However, he hints at several things in his appearance in Sword of the Lictor. He claims that water brings new life and rebirth. He understands the role of the conciliator and his idenitity, promising Severian that if he kneels before him, the Conciliator come again will also kneel before him. And what does Severian see when he looks out the eyes of Typhon? A vast plain of water. This is what Typhon sees from his mountain, with his false eyes. As for the idea of the Conciliator was not unknown in Typhon's time - the conciliator was a rewriting of christology - an echo of the promise of a savior that MUST have been extent if Buzz Aldron was extent in that distant future. The conciliator became meshed with Christ in myth- and of course Typhon knew about that, since he is an allegory of Satan. He is re-enacting the temptation scene - he knows everything about the conciliator and his mission. Even if there was no need for a sun before the age of Typhon, there was still need of a spiritual salvation with which the conciliator became associated. Come now. How can the memory of Buzz Aldron outlive the memory of Christ? You really believe that Typhon, the satan figure of the text of New Sun, is ignorant of the role of the savior figure? He might, after all, have had access to the book of Canog that Dr. Talos must have perused to write Eschatology and Genesis. And the whole secret of the future is of course in that text, composed from notes Severian revealed at the time when he meets Typhon in the past and is incarcerated. If Typhon lived even another year or two, he might have seen that text, with its gnostic eschatology and genesis ripe for his analysis. He might have even tried to use it when he took all the other writings of ready-made religions and made his whorl. (if the whorl was already sent, then he still had an immense storehouse of myths that would become inseparable from the story of the Conciliator, who, before the publication of Urth of the New Sun, seemed to be homologous with Jesus Christ. Could Sappho and Aurelius outlive the documents of Christ in someplace like Buenos Aires?). Marc Aramini -- --