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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:32:11 -0800
Subject: Re: (urth) Typhon as Silk?
From: Lisa Schaffer-Doggett 

On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 12:32 AM, Roy C. Lackey wrote:

> Unless you are willing to posit the Hierogrammates their own 
> third-party
> agenda, were they not angelic agents of the Increate?

Though we tend to disagree on most things involving this series Roy, I 
value your point of view and I'm constantly amazed that you anticipate 
the stream of my arguments.  This is exactly what I posit.  I think the 
Hiero's are cloaking themselves in the name of the Increate and that 
their guesses as to His (I use that guardedly) will are only slightly 
more insightful than our own.  After all, they are ultimately our 

> As for your "thematic argument" for the "redemption" of Typhon, even 
> as an
> unbeliever I have a hard time swallowing that. Let's see: Typhon 
> bankrupted
> Urth's remaining natural resources (mostly to massage his own ego); by 
> some
> accounts he caused the wounding of the sun (leading to the passage of 
> the
> New Sun and the deaths of millions); he ordered the kidnapping of tens 
> of
> thousands of people, brainwashed them and doomed generations of their
> descendents to being his worshipful playthings on the _Whorl_; he
> slaughtered people wholesale ("I watched him kill a thousand once. Men,
> mostly." -- Kypris, LS1:12). An omnipotent Increate/Outsider
> permitted/ordained all that suffering, balanced the cosmic scales on 
> the
> backs of the innocent, just to save the soul of one evil miscreant who 
> never
> contributed a dime's worth to his own salvation or was made to suffer 
> in any
> way for the evil he had done? Is this the same Increate who kept Moses 
> from
> the Promised Land for the moral equivalent of a parking ticket?
Hartshorn's reply is as good as anything I might have said.   I would 
only add that this mercy is the essence of Christian Grace.  It is by 
its nature undeserved.



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