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From: "James Wynn"Subject: (urth) Chrasmological Writings - "Open Eyes" Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:02:49 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2F775.11AC3D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew Bollen pondered the source of the following Chrasmological = quotation: "A simple way would be to admit that myth is neither irresponsible = fantasy, nor the object of weighty psychology, or any such thing. It is = wholly other, and requires to be looked at with open eyes." Josh Geller first suggested: "Could easily be 'Hamlet's Mill'." And when speculation continued without considering his suggestion, Josh = defiantly asserted: "I really do think it is from 'Hamlet's Mill'. Anyone who enjoys Gene = Wolfe's fiction owes it to themselves to read 'Hamlet's Mill'." Well I still didn't take Josh's help for what it was worth, but while = wandering along one of Wolfe's byways I happened to come across Georgio = de Santillana (who co-authored 'Hamlet's Mill' with Herth von Dechend). = "Well", thinks I, "who am I to blow against the wind?" So I bought 'Hamlet's Mill", and thought, "Oh my, another very thick = book to read". But I enjoyed every word and, sure enough.... ****at the end of section one of the Epilogue, "The Lost Treasure", is = the very quote.****** I must thank Josh because I probably wouldn't have elected to try this = book without his recommendation. Aside from the beautiful merit of the = book in its own right, I found rich veins of Wolfean source material. For those who may not know, Shakespeare derived his Hamlet from the Dane = Saxo Grammaticus' Latin work which included a story about the prince = Amlethus. Santillana and Dechend argue that Amlethus is the Norse = Amlohdi who owned "a fabled mill which in his own time ground out peace = and plenty. Later, in decaying times, it ground out salt; and now = finally, having landed at the bottom of the sea, it is grinding rock and = sand, creating a vast whirlpool, the Maelstrom which is supposed to be = the way to the land of the dead." The "millstone" to which they refer is spinning heavens. The center of = the Mill is the polar star.=20 Graves asserted that true poetry is mythological, that it conveys the = hidden roots of all poetry and religion. Santillana and Dechend assert = that true **mythology** is cosmological; that it conveys the story of = the stars and the "great catastrophe" caused by the Precession of the = Equinox (when the millstone became "unhinged"). This implicitly denies = (actually they contemptuously deny it) Graves attempt to derive Greek = mythology from ancient religio-political upheavals on the Peloponese. From this one "great scientific marvel" of science -- the moving of the = polar center and banishing of constellations "to the underworld", "to = beneath the ocean", the writers have attempted to connect practically = all the great myths: Prometheus, Vishnu, the Flood, Samson, Hercules, = etc. etc.) It would be impossible to describe here every insight into Wolfe's work = that this book has provided me. However, note that as in Wolfe's Whorl, = ancient man also saw himself in the middle of a spinning elongated = whorl, and also that Horn build's a paper mill from which comes the = "Book of Silk" through which, in a sense, the gods of the Heavens, = especially Silk and the Outsider, were brought to the emmigrants. Reading this work also begins to explain for me all the references to = Hesphaestus, the Smith God.=20 And here is here is something for New Sun speculators attempting to nail = down a relationship between Typhon and Severian: "The story of the smith Kavag -- also written Kaweh, or Kawa -- is told = by Firdausi in the book dealing with the 1000 years rule of Dahak, that = fiendish tyrant out of whose shoulders grew two serpents that had to be = fed with the brains of two young men every day. The predestined = dragon-slayer and much expected savior, Faridun --- Avestan Thraethona = -- .... had been saved from the snares of Dahak as a baby, and hidden = away in the mountains." On science fiction, Tolkien, and Wolfe's 'bleak" plots: "Science fiction, when it is good, is a wholly valid attempt at = restoring a mythical element, with its adventures and tragedies, it = meditations on man's errors and man's fate. For true tragedy is an = essential component or outcome of myth....Tokien's efforts at reviving = the genre, whatever the talent employed, carry as much conviction as the = traditional three-dollar bill." So there ya go. Thanks again to Josh for identifying this quotation and = putting me on to a really interesting book.=20 -- Crush -- ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2F775.11AC3D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew Bollen pondered the source of = the following=20 Chrasmological quotation:"A simple way would be to admit that = myth is=20 neither irresponsible fantasy, nor the object of weighty psychology, or = any such=20 thing. It is wholly other, and requires to be looked at with open=20 eyes."Josh Geller first = suggested:"Could easily be 'Hamlet's = Mill'."And when speculation continued without = considering=20 his suggestion, Josh defiantly asserted:"I really do think it is from 'Hamlet's Mill'. Anyone who enjoys = Gene=20 Wolfe's fiction owes it to themselves to read 'Hamlet's = Mill'."Well I still didn't take Josh's help = for what it=20 was worth, but while wandering along one of Wolfe's byways I = happened to=20 come across Georgio de Santillana (who co-authored 'Hamlet's Mill' with = Herth=20 von Dechend). "Well", thinks I, "who am I to blow against the=20 wind?"So I bought 'Hamlet's Mill", and = thought, "Oh my,=20 another very thick book to read". But I enjoyed every word and, sure=20 enough....****at the end of section one of = the Epilogue,=20 "The Lost Treasure", is the very quote.******I must thank Josh because I probably = wouldn't have=20 elected to try this book without his recommendation. Aside from the = beautiful=20 merit of the book in its own right, I found rich veins of Wolfean = source=20 material.For those who may not know, Shakespeare = derived his=20 Hamlet from the Dane Saxo Grammaticus' Latin work which included a story = about=20 the prince Amlethus. Santillana and Dechend argue that = Amlethus is the=20 Norse Amlohdi who owned "a fabled mill which in his own time = ground=20 out peace and plenty. Later, in decaying times, it ground out salt; and = now=20 finally, having landed at the bottom of the sea, it is grinding rock and = sand,=20 creating a vast whirlpool, the Maelstrom which is supposed to be the way = to the=20 land of the dead."The "millstone" to which they refer=20 is spinning heavens. The center of the Mill is the polar=20 star.Graves asserted that true poetry=20 is mythological, that it conveys the hidden roots of all poetry and = religion. Santillana and Dechend assert that true **mythology** is = cosmological;=20 that it conveys the story of the stars and the "great catastrophe" = caused by the=20 Precession of the Equinox (when the millstone became "unhinged"). This=20 implicitly denies (actually they contemptuously deny it) Graves = attempt to=20 derive Greek mythology from ancient religio-political upheavals on the=20 Peloponese.From this one "great scientific marvel" = of science=20 -- the moving of the polar center and banishing of constellations "to = the=20 underworld", "to beneath the ocean", the writers have = attempted to=20 connect practically all the great myths: Prometheus, Vishnu, the Flood, = Samson,=20 Hercules, etc. etc.)It would be impossible to describe here = every=20 insight into Wolfe's work that this book has provided me. However, = note that as in Wolfe's Whorl, ancient man = also saw=20 himself in the middle of a spinning elongated whorl, and also = that Horn=20 build's a paper mill from which comes the "Book of Silk" through which, = in a=20 sense, the gods of the Heavens, especially Silk and the Outsider, = were=20 brought to the emmigrants.Reading this work also begins = to explain for=20 me all the references to Hesphaestus, the Smith God.And here is here is something for = New Sun=20 speculators attempting to nail down a relationship between = Typhon and=20 Severian:"The story of the smith Kavag -- also = written=20 Kaweh, or Kawa -- is told by Firdausi in the book dealing with the 1000 = years=20 rule of Dahak, that fiendish tyrant out of whose shoulders grew two = serpents=20 that had to be fed with the brains of two young men every day. The = predestined=20 dragon-slayer and much expected savior, Faridun --- Avestan Thraethona = -- ....=20 had been saved from the snares of Dahak as a baby, and hidden away in = the=20 mountains."On science fiction, = Tolkien, and Wolfe's=20 'bleak" plots:"Science fiction, when it is good, is a = wholly=20 valid attempt at restoring a mythical element, with its adventures and=20 tragedies, it meditations on man's errors and man's fate. For true = tragedy is an=20 essential component or outcome of myth....Tokien's efforts at reviving = the=20 genre, whatever the talent employed, carry as much conviction as the = traditional=20 three-dollar bill."So there ya go. Thanks again to Josh = for=20 identifying this quotation and putting me on to a really interesting = book.=20-- Crush------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2F775.11AC3D10--