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From: "Andy Robertson" 
Subject: Re: (urth) Re Moorcock
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:22:28 +0100

Moorcock is an intelligent but frightening,  writer, who hides his values in
most of his works, but spells out his plots.

Wolfe is an intelligent but frightening writer who does not hide anything of
his values: just conceals details of plot.,

Moorcock hides his values because if he really  **spoke** about what he
believes, he would have to realise that it is pure poison.

That realisation would cramp his style.

Wolfe displays his values in the desperate hope of healing the world.


j manx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" 
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: (urth) Re Moorcock

> This reminds me (in a way only loosely connected with what you've said) of
> something that I find a little disturbing in Wolfe's novels- the frequency
> of rape committed by his protagonists or major characters. Which is NOT, I
> must stress, to say that I think it's some kind of wish fulfillment or
> fetish on his part, it's not presented that way at all... it's not
> gratuitous, and when it does appear it tends to be a major thematic
> etc.
> I guess what I'm saying is that the frequency with which the "Rape and
> Forgiveness" theme comes up makes me a little morbidly uncomfortable.
> Of course I have not read any of his short stories yet, and I imagine it's
> nowhere near as prevalent there.
> >Much as, I suppose, it's psychologically revealing that Moorcock uses
> >rape to redeem his female protagonists at least twice. No offense, man,
> >but what's grease for the goose, you see.
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