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From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" 
Subject: Re: (urth) Generic Considerations
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:19:47 -0700


This looks like an interesting post. Alas, the lines are truncated
sufficiently to make it unreadible. I believe this is a "feature"
of the list reflector. Can you repost with carriage returns breaking
the lines?

>From: Mike Sakasegawa 
>Reply-To: urth@urth.net
>Subject: Re: (urth) Generic Considerations
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:07:43 -0700
>Blattid wrote:
> > This reverts to the subect/object orientation of SF/MF. SF expends
> > much of it discursive energy on the level of the object, creating
> > and analyzing things that do not exist in the "consensus" world. MF
> > need not do this and uses more of its discursive energy creating
> > and analyzing the subjectivity of characters. But the subjects of
> > attention and analysis in MF are no more (or less) "real" than the
> > objects of attention and analysis in SF; though one could reasonably
> > claim, I suppose, that they represent a kind of thing that exists
> > in the consensus world, where deliquescing doors and transporters
> > do not ...
> >
>You talked about how an SF reader tends to decode the language used in 
>different ways from an MF reader, and here you talk about the focus of the 
>writer's discursive energy.  I'm still not sure I comp
>I'm not an expert on genre criticism, especially in book form, but in film 
>criticism, some critics define genres by the semantic and syntactic 
>elements of the films which comprise it's body.  The sema
>A lot of "soft" SF is mainly focused on the subjective experience and 
>emotional state of the characters.  For example, most of the works of Orson 
>Scott Card.  True, he does spend some portion of each
>f MF and for "hard" SF, but I'm not sure that it includes "lighter" works 
>into each genre that should be included.
>Unfortunately, it seems that what constitutes a genre depends highly on who 
>is asked, and should that be the case?  To me, Vonnegut _has_ written SF, 
>even if he doesn't think so, because he uses certa
>On a completely unrelated note, I've decided on a Whorl-type name for 
>myself.  I picked the Japanese word for "Sheep," as that is the Japanese 
>zodiac sign for the year in which I was born.  Thus:

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