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From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" 
Subject: Re: (urth) stealing apu punchau
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:35:15 -0700

Mantis having written:

>Time travel "message to self" loop thingie.  In Heinlein you have DOOR INTO
>SUMMER.  In movies you have either "Groundhog Day," where the narrative
>hero is going through every loop from beginning to optimized end; or
>something like "Donny Darko," where it is the final loop only and thus more
>like DOOR INTO SUMMER (and Severian's Narrative).

Actually, the best example of this I've seen is -- surprisingly -- the "Bill 
Ted" movies. Both movies have sequences that involve the boys succeeding
because of things they haven't done yet; the escape from jail scene in the
first one, and the marvellous final fight with the bad guy in the second 
where they take turns explaining what they are going to do to forestall the
effects of what the other one has just said he'll do -- ending with the 
point that only the winner will actually get to carry out his plans.


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