From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes"
Subject: Re: (urth) stealing apu punchau Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:35:15 -0700 Mantis having written: >Time travel "message to self" loop thingie. In Heinlein you have DOOR INTO >SUMMER. In movies you have either "Groundhog Day," where the narrative >hero is going through every loop from beginning to optimized end; or >something like "Donny Darko," where it is the final loop only and thus more >like DOOR INTO SUMMER (and Severian's Narrative). Actually, the best example of this I've seen is -- surprisingly -- the "Bill and Ted" movies. Both movies have sequences that involve the boys succeeding because of things they haven't done yet; the escape from jail scene in the first one, and the marvellous final fight with the bad guy in the second one, where they take turns explaining what they are going to do to forestall the effects of what the other one has just said he'll do -- ending with the obvious point that only the winner will actually get to carry out his plans. --Blattid _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --