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From: mary whalen <marewhalen@yahoo.com> Subject: (whorl) Names and meanings (4) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:12:55 This is Sean Whalen (prion). Trivigaunte. Looking at this word, I couldn't image its origin. Parts of it looked Latin, but I couldn't place it at all. In Latin, tri- means three (from tres), vi- means road (from via), and there is no stem gaunt-. However, the closest is gaud-, meaning joy. This might mean Joy at the Three Roads, or something. This seems a bit of a stretch, however. Trivia is also a by-name of Hekate, the goddess of witches, magic, and other things, who was often worshipped by women. Trivialis means trivial, unimportant, which is what the Trivigaunti war is. Another Latin word meaning trivial is levis. Levis with a long e means smooth, beardless. Trivi means I rubbed, I wore away, from terere, to rub, to wear awawy. This verb is the Latin equivalent of Greek tribein, to rub, wear away. A tribade is a lesbian, so Trivigaunte might be Joy of Lesbianism. This reminded me of when Siyuf tells Chenille that in Trivigaunte, men are duty, women are pleasure. Duty in Latin is officiu, munus, pietas, religio, or fides, so I don't know if the second part of that phrase has anything to do with it. None of this is perfect, though, so I looked further. The closest word to this in Latin is triginta (thirty). Taking the letters in triginta out of Trivigante, we are left with u, v, and e. The only Latin word I can form out of these is uve, which means, approximately, "be wet!". This wasn't going anywhere, so I thought that maybe the letters were scrambled. The closest word I could find was vigintiviratus, the office of the vigintiviri (a council of twenty men). The vocative form of vigintiviratus, the form used to address as "you", is vigintivirate. Taking the letters in Trivigaunte out of vigintivirate, we're left with v, i, and i. This could form 7 (VII) in Latin. Taking the letters of Trivigaunti (the adjective) out of vigintiviratus, we're left with i, u, and s. Ius (stem iur-) is Latin for both, soup, right, or LAW. This would make vigintiviratus equal to Trivigaunti law (Trivigaunti ius = vigintiviratus). Since it is scrambled, this might mean that men no longer rule in Trivigaunte. However, virago (stem viragin-) is Latin for warrior-woman. Taking the letters of viragin- out of Trivigaunte, we're left with t, u, t, and e. Tute is the vocative form of tutus, meaning watched over, guarded, protected. With a long e, it is also the adverbial form of this adjective, meaning safely, guardedly, while being protected. This would mean Trivigaunte means "Guarded by Warrior Women," viragintute. It could also be scrambled into virgine tuta, which means protected/watched over by the/a virgin (virgo, stem virgin-). I'm fairly sure that the explanation for the name can be found among these speculations, but the exact one is still unclear to me. prion _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/