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From: "William H. Ansley" <wansley@warwick.net>
Subject: RE: (whorl) Revealed at Last! What (Would Have) Killed the Inhumi!
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:17:52 

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Jordan [mailto:jbjordan@gnt.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 6:40 PM
>> I still say that the secret (probably) is that when humans
>> learn to live
>> with each other in love and charity (not enslaving one another, for
>> instance), the inhumi will follow suit, being imitators of
>> humanity. That's
>> why Quetzal is ambiguous, because he learned from Patera Pike.
>But if this is the secret, then why doesn't Jahlee burst out laughing when
>threatened with it? At that very minute she is being presented with _deeds_
>showing just how far humans are from accomplishing such - the Rajan is
>preparing to use the inhumi to prey on his human enemies.
>No, whatever "the secret" is, it's got to be a darn sight more - _do-able_,
>as they say.

I agree. In fact I posted a message along much the same lines last
November. Although the message is long, I am going to quote almost all of
it, because it contains most of the passges from OBW that are relevant to
this discussion. My take on the secret of the inhumi is at the end of the
quoted material, below.

From: "William H. Ansley" <wansley@warwick.net>
Subject: (whorl) The secret of the inhumi, again
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:16:10 -0500

"Roberson, John" <RobersonJ@bek.com> wrote:


>	Also, does anyone care to speculate about the secret of the inhumu?
>It would seem that their chameleon-like body-shaping goes even further to
>imitating the intelligence and anger/hatred of man for them and other men.
>There is a passage to the effect that if humans would only be more caring,
>then the inhumu would revert back to beasts in the jungle.  Also, Krait
>becomes more like Horn and Horn's son as Horn begins relating to him as his
>son by proxy.  If people only loved one another, does this mean that inhumu
>would be unable to prey on them and eventually slink back into the jungles
>of Green?  It would appear in the Long Sun series that Quetzal absorbed some
>of the benign aspects of their religion while masquerading as a human and

As a matter of fact, I would. There has been some discussion of this
already, which you can find on the archives, too. I have been meaning to
post about this, because I don't completely agree with what has already
been said on the subject.

I will quote the relevant postings below (I have inserted an additional
"Horn's hint" in among those in Dave Lebling's list. By the way Dave,
thanks for all the work you put in on collecting the "Krait's secret"

David_Lebling@avid.com (Dave Lebling) wrote:

>As promised, these are hints Horn gives us about the inhumi's secret:
>p. 217: The inhumu had told me that we human beings were the cattle of his
>They drink our blood in preference to the blood of animals merely because they
>prefer it (this is what he said) ...

[William Ansley] p. 241: ...I would cheerfully have burned or buried the
inhuma that bit Sinew when we were living in the tent. They are vile
creatures, exactly as Hari Mau says; but how can they help it, when we are
as we are? I wish sometimes that Krait had not told me.

>p. 315: He [Mehman] and Evensong waited outside while I explained what I had
>learned from Krait on Green. ... "Will you do whatever we tell you, if I
>you?" I asked the inhuma. "Or shall I make good on my threat?" ... "I warn
>if you will not I am going to spread my knowledge everywhere."
>p. 317: "It's just occurred to me that you inhumi are rather like a kind of
>lizard I've noticed in my garden. It can change colors ... While I acknowledge
>that you inhumi are a much higher form of life, it seems to me that the
>principle is about the same." ... She only nodded. "You are correct, Rajan."
>p 350: "If only we protected one another, they would all be idiots or
>worse. As
>it is, they always get enough to keep them going."
>p. 372: "I couldn't kill them here and now, if that's what you mean; but I
>how they might be returned to the mere vermin that they once were -- mindless,
>hideous, blood-drinking animals seeking their prey in Green's jungles."
>p. 374: "Krait told me why they have to have it as he lay dying. ... He was
>thinking of the thing that linked him to me, and me to him -- of the bond of
>blood between us."
>p. 375:  "That's the kind of thing the inhumi must have done before the
>People reached Green -- reshaped themselves to look like the animals they
>... "
>"If only we cared about each other sufficiently.  If only all of us loved all
>the others enough, they would go back to that. They would still think them
>horrible creatures, and they would still be dangerous, as the crocodiles
>in this
>lower river water are. But they would be no worse."
>There may be others that I've missed, of course, particularly any that are
>in the book.
>I think the foregoing fits pretty well with the theory that it is only by
>drinking the blood of intelligent creatures that the inhumi established and
>maintain their own intelligence.  In addition, the inhumi may get their
>from humans as well -- that is, they are monsters because we are monsters.
>If that is the secret, then we have a certain nice symmetry with parts of the
>Christian worldview.  That is, we are threatened by evil, but the evil comes
>from ourselves.  If we protected each other from it, it would disappear.  In
>short, we should all follow the Golden Rule. I won't speculate on how this
>fit with Catholic (or any other) theology, but it seems like too good a match.
>This story is, first and foremost, about love.  Not love as in sex or lust
>(though that's there, too), but love between father and son, son and father,
>husband and wife, even between pet and master.  The secret of the inhumi
>is that
>love will protect us from them.
>     --- Dave Lebling
>     (aka vizcacha)

Jim Jordan <jbjordan@gnt.net> (Nutria) wrote:

>	Well, that's what I was going to write, having finished the book last
>night and reading the posts today, but you beat me to it. Completely agree.
>I think we have all we need to know the secret now. Remember also that
>Wolfe discusses devils/fallen-angels in other stories, and calls them
>servants of God who are used to chastise/punish people. The inhumi have the
>same role here. It might be useful to consider how exorcisms are done, both
>those in the Gospels and in Acts, and the Roman Catholic rite.

I agree that drinking human blood is what makes the inhumi intelligent and
human in their emotional/mental/moral structure. I find an interesting
parallel between the inhumi and the nephilim in Tim Powers' _The Stress of
Her Regard_, which I highly recommend to everyone here who hasn't read it.
In Powers' book the nephilim use the pattern (presumably DNA) in human
blood to take on human form. However, I have a problem with the way Dave
phrased the final passages of his posting.

The threat contained in the secret that Horn uses to control the inhumi
(Krait's secret) has to be something that they believe is possible to carry
out. If the threat Horn is holding over them is, "I will tell people that
they can defeat you by following the Golden Rule," I think they would have
have laughed in his face. The inhumi know human nature much too well to
believe that, even with the survival of humanity at stake, all people, or
even most of them will be able to do unto others only what they would have
the others do unto them. While it seems possible to me that if all the
people on Blue started to love one another then the inhumi would love them
as well and no longer want to prey on them, I don't think that the
precondition is possible. And, more importantly for my argument, I don't
believe that the inhumi would believe it was possible, either.

I think that if we have enough information to know what the secret is
already (and we may not) then it has to be something a good deal more
specific than obeying the Golden Rule, although I don't think it's
something entirely different. I think this quote is the key:

>p 350: "If only we protected one another, they would all be idiots or
>worse. As
>it is, they always get enough to keep them going."

I think the secret is that ALL human beings must be protected from the bite
of the inhumi. No one on Blue wants the inhumi to feed on themselves or
their loved ones and they will usually go to great lengths to prevent it.
But, even though most of them probably don't want the inhumi to feed on any
human being, they won't risk themselves or even make much of an effort to
protect anyone else. But, if everyone knew that if the inhumi were
prevented from getting any human blood at all, they would become
unintelligent and (more importantly) unable to pose as human, then they
might be motivated to actually act on this knowledge.

I have to wonder how possible this complete protection would be, however.
It doesn't seem entirely plausible to me, which makes me expect that there
will turn out to be more than this to Krait's secret.

William Ansley

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