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From: Adam Stephanides <adamsteph@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: (whorl) [SPOILERS] In Green's Jungles, first thoughts Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:19:09 Fernando Q. Gouvea wrote: > > **** On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:55:35 -0700, Adam Stephanides <adamsteph@earthlink.net> said: > > Adam> Fernando Q. Gouvea wrote: > > > > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > > *SPOILER SPACE* > True, there's something here that's unclear. But it's impossible to imagine > that Horn hasn't looked himself in a mirror! Do they have mirrors on Blue? I don't remember, but the level of technology is low enough that it's possible that they don't. But if they do, it reinforces my point. If Horn were in Silk's body, he should know it. But there's no indication that he does, and some indication that he doesn't. > >> Fava is not really an inhuma, as the "astral projection" sections > >> reveal. > > Adam> Fava is really an inhuma, as is Jahlee. Their spirits are human in > Adam> appearance because they absorb their intelligence and personalities > Adam> from the humans whose blood they drink. > > Yes, of course. I was using "really" in the sense "not physically, but in > spirit", just as Horn is Horn, not physically, but in spirit. I realized it was a technicality when I wrote it. But by your reasoning, no inhumi would "really" be inhumi, since presumably they would all appear "in spirit" as whatever species they have absorbed the nature of. > >> There's a lot of Christian imagery too, from the "unknown God" of the > >> Neighbors to the Eucharist at the stone table. > > Adam> Why do you see the Neighbors' unknown god [it's lower-case in the > Adam> book] as Christian? > > My point was just that using the phrase brings in Christian associations > and images, not that one should literally read it as Christian. When > St. Paul preached in Athens, according to the book of Acts, he was > disgusted by the polytheism of the Greeks but noted that one of their > temples was dedicated "to an unknown god". In his sermon, he explains that > this is the God he is talking about. So the phrase rings a bell, especially > when used in a context where one is talking about religious contact between > two different cultures. Ah. That's what I get for presuming to discuss religion in Wolfe without having read the New Testament. --Adam *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/ *To leave the list, send "unsubscribe" to whorl-request@lists.best.com *If it's Wolfe but not Long Sun, please use the URTH list: urth@lists.best.com