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From: Michael Andre-Driussi <mantis@sirius.com> Subject: (whorl) RTTW spoilers, the main narrator Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:56:49 Adam quoted and wrote: >> Eek! In my rush to express my intuition that the Silk-to-Horn/Silk >> transfer happened at a very specific point in the text (when Horn/Silk sees >> Pig face to face after the operation), not off-stage somewhere (nor >> anywhere else in time), I temporarily forgot all the monitor-to-eyeball >> "rules of possession" previously established. > >I hope you won't be offended if I ask you where this intuition comes from. >I'm sure you understand the book much better than me, but I honestly don't >recall anything which even suggests that Silk's spirit is absent from his >body when Horn's spirit is transferred in, and is "reloaded" from Pig after >the operation (if I understand your position correctly). IIRC, as Horn lay dying in the lander on Green, the deal expressed by the Neighbors was something like: from two broken men we will make one whole man. And since Horn's "broken" nature was a dead body, well, it seemed as if the broken part of Silk was something different, for example, a spirit/soul that was seeking oblivion. So if this is true, then Horn's healthy spirit is poured into Silk's healthy body (which also just happens to be on the Whorl, where Horn had been trying to go). We have plenty of cases in Wolfe's fiction where two complete spirits are in one body: Severian and Thecla, the serpent magician in the Soldier books. We also have ambiguous cases, like Jonas-in-Miles, or the case of Jolenta (possession by a vision?). We also have cases (BOTLS) where fragments are left behind after a possession, and the same may be true when a spirit is vacated from its original body (so it need not be an "absolutely either/or" situation). To turn your question around: if, as you seem to be saying, Silk's spirit =was= already in Silk's body, and Horn's spirit is in there, too (a Severian/Thecla situation: the Neighbor maybe should have said "you will be a crutch for a broken man--until he heals" rather than that other way of two broken men being used to make one whole man? Certainly seems true, in a sense, in retrospect!), then I fail to see the drive/point/goal of the narrator in making sure that he catches the spirit from Pig when it comes out. Presumably the spirit in Pig is Silk-from-mainframe, right? So . . . what? You already have a 100% Silk spirit in that body, along with a 100% Horn spirit. Why have 200% Silk? Please explain your own sense of it all. Is the spirit in Pig not Silk at all, despite the suggestions surrounding Pig's behavior with the ghost (Hyacinth, do you think?) in the mansion? If it is not Silk, who is it--Pas himself (at which point the mansion ghost is . . . Kypris?)? So the goal is to become Silk/Pas/Horn? My model is that yes, Silk's spirit was weak and left; Horn's spirit entered; Silk's spirit and Horn's body both left the picture. At some time before this, either a long time (if we believe Pig's tale of odyessy) or a shorter time than that, for one reason or another, that version of Silk-in-mainframe that we saw so briefly in BOTLS was downloaded into Pig. Had Silk-in-mainframe been cured of his melancholy? Was he new and improved and intended to "upgrade" Silk? (If so, then why not just beam directly into Silk himself? Was his area a "no monitor" zone?) Was Silk-in-mainframe going out on a quest of his own (could be anything, but probably "no more landings, get ready to voyage again"), and this was sabotaged by the crippling loss of eyes? At which point, perhaps, the interrum quest became "Find Silk; then complete the quest"? So my model is that the Silk-in-Pig is not the same spirit as the Silk that left Silk's body. Silk-in-Pig is perhaps the scan from a happier Silk (again recalling the vision we had of Passilk in TBOTLS), before everything fell apart at the end of TBOTLS, and certainly long before the series of political defeats, heartbreaks over Hyacinth while she was alive and the crushing experience after her death. Looking forward to seeing your model. =mantis= Sirius Fiction Catalog and errata sheet at http://www.sirius.com/~mantis/ *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/ *To leave the list, send "unsubscribe" to whorl-request@lists.best.com *If it's Wolfe but not Long Sun, please use the URTH list: urth@lists.best.com