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From: maa32 <maa32@dana.ucc.nau.edu> Subject: (whorl) hello! and a little on religious orthodoxy Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:09:52 I normally only post to the Urth list, but due to the minimal amount of congress there in recent weeks I have decided to subscribe to the whorl list as well. The recent trend in religious discussion is very interesting to me, and as a practicing Catholic I think that Wolfe's creations are more effectively interpreted with an orthodox perspective in mind (I don't buy into the "death of the author" very much, or even the somewhat New Critical concept of a text as something completely independent of the author's intentions). Positing Lombard's quaternity for Quadrifons is, I agree, extremely unlikely from the most precursory examination of the creeds Wolfe must recite incessantly (one in being with the Father, etc). These creeds reaffirm the denial of heresies (homo- vs. hetero- ousious) All of Wolfe's novels play with religious symbolism to a greater or lesser extent (the apples before the fall down the stairs at the beginning of Peace, for example, or the title of the same novel, which I believe comes from the plea: Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Lamb of God, grant us peace). I think the most interesting question one can ask is whether or not Wolfe seriously considers the doctrine that at the true resurrection the body and the spirit are reunited in perfection. In this orthodox understanding of the resurection, the body cannot be seen as an evil and flawed temporal construct, but as a necessary component of perfection. How should we consider disembodied "souls" like Horn or even (at times) Mucor? Are they the total being? Is the soul enough? For a fascinating discussion of the relation between the "real" identity of a man and the parts of his body, Ultan's lecture to Severian at the beginning of Shadow is an ideal place to start. (can the smallest finger of a man contains his whole essence, etc). At the end of The Urth of the New Sun, it is very clear that Severian's soul has been hoisted from one body to another. Is he the same Severian in essence without that body, or are they inextricably linked? I think the same kinds of ideas are being thrown around when we consider "Horn" in Silk. Marc Aramini *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/ *To leave the list, send "unsubscribe" to whorl-request@lists.best.com *If it's Wolfe but not Long Sun, please use the URTH list: urth@lists.best.com