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From: "Robert Borski" <rborski@charter.net> Subject: (whorl) Re: Re: Re: Re: godlings Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:46:39 Nutria dipping his ratty tail into electric ink and writing: >>I'm also on record as stating that I believe the Mother is a godling and meant to host Scylla, but this involves accepting my notion that Pas and the other Mainframe gods are Neighbor-type aliens.<< <Surely you don't still maintain this? If so, you should take up the arguments presented against it. Also, since you now say the other mainframe gods are Neighbors, what about the very human pre-adolescent Scylla? > Yep. Still do. Such is the strength of my various delusional belief systems, including the one that maintains the Neighbors are capable of shape-shifting. You all don't have to buy it. But it's how I choose to the view the book--just as others believe there are ubiquitous Scylla-type aliens scattered throughout the universe or the inhumi can negotiate the vacuum between Blue and Green or that Silk has committed suicide or accidentally bled to dead from cuts inflicted during the grieving process. Chaçun yadda yadda yadda. As for Scylla's very human pre-adolescent appearance, let me note that the head of Typhon grafted to Piaton appears human (when in Rome, et cetera), and only the mythic aspect of his name allows us to surmise he is actually an alien. Typhon possibly being able to shift his appearance toward the human is one potential explanation for this; but just as easily he could have had his technicians provide him and his wife and children with humanoid-type features. Which brings me to yet another unaccepted plot point. Alex David Groce once accused me of conflating Cilinia, Greater Scylla, the Mother, and Mainframe Scylla, and he's absolutely right because I think all four are aspects of the same entity. Sisters of a feather, if you wish to throw in Oreb. And therefore sort of an alien Mother-Daughter-Holy Ghost conglomerate. <<Re yet another discredited theory of mine--that Pig has assassinated Silk in his manse>> < But Pig clearly "sees" that the Narrator is Silk, so how can he think he killed Silk? I just don't think this works. > But the original human Silk--that is to say the unalloyed Patera Silk we meet in the Long Sun series--or at least his biological housing or meatware--_has_ died, if temporarily, whereas the "person" Pig bonds with is an amalgam of Horn and Silk and Pas downloaded into Silk's body. And Pig himself is clearly a dissembler, never once admitting he's a godling (although the ear remarks in the Mainframe surgery comes close). It's also in his best interests not to say he's killed Silk, since he needs Silk|Horn to help him gain his sight back. Ergo, the semi-factual story he weaves and tells the Narrator. Robert Borski *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/ *To leave the list, send "unsubscribe" to whorl-request@lists.best.com *If it's Wolfe but not Long Sun, please use the URTH list: urth@lists.best.com