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From: James Jordan <jbjordan4@home.com> Subject: Re: (whorl) Fallible Narrators and Even More Fallible Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:23:55 I think you're basically right, save that as I wrote in a previous post, I think Wolfe intends the Silk narrative to be a kind of lesser version of the gospels, not equivalent to them. Nutria Dan'l wrote in part >Briefly, for non-[Catholic-Bible-scholars]: The basic idea the >Catholic church endorses is that the Gospels were formed in >three "layers": > 1. The events that actually occurred in the greater > Jerusalem metropolitan area ca. 4 BC - 33 AD. > 2. The memories of those events carried by eyewitnesses > and the communities founded by those eyewitnesses. > 3. The setting-down of those memories by the communities, > probably late in the first century. >The Catholic answers to questions like "Yeah, but how do we know >it's true?" and "Well, what about the way they [seem to] conflict >with each other?" are deeply entrenched in that model, but it >gets pretty complicated at that point. > >Now, what I _think_ we have in Horn's "Book of Silk" is something >similar: Horn was, admittedly, an eyewitness to some of these >events -- a fairly small proportion of them. He's gone around >interviewing people, filled in the details as best he can, and >freely admits he made the rest up to complete the narrative. It >isn't good historiography, but it suffices; it gives the sense >of someone who isn't a historian doing the best he can. The made- >up stuff, while perhaps not accurate, isn't a lie, in the sense >of an untruth meant to deceive; it is intended to convey a sense >of the probable truth. > >So we have all three stages compressed into one text: > > 1. We have Horn's own authentic(?) memories of Silk. > > 2. We have the community's memories of Silk. > > 3. The "Book of Silk" _as written by Horn & Nettle_ > collecting and collating their own memories with > those of the community. > >Unfortunately, there's an implicit Stage 4, which is also >implicit in the Catholic model: The copyists get hold of >the text, and a long time later, scholars try to trace the >provenance of textual variants backwards and determine the >"true" original text of Stage 3. *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/ *To leave the list, send "unsubscribe" to whorl-request@lists.best.com *If it's Wolfe but not Long Sun, please use the URTH list: urth@lists.best.com