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From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" <ddanehy@siebel.com> Subject: RE: (whorl) Fallible Narrators and Even More Fallible Copyists: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:32:28 Jerry Friedman wrote: > Whether skeptical explanations sound contrived and > improbable is important when evaluating putative > sacred texts (if that's something one is interested > in). In the Long/Short Sun books, I think the > important thing is that that those explanations are > literarily pointless (unlike the ambiguity in _A Case > of Conscience_, which is a large part of the point). > > It may be mildly amusing for us readers to note that > a fictional reader on New Viron is in much the same > position as a reader of the Gospels, but I don't think > that means we readers get anything out reacting the > same way as someone for whom the truth of the > narrative is important. While you're right, you are right in a way that, well, sort of misses my point. The issue here is _not_ how a hypothetical Bluish reader might respond when faced with the Books of Silk and Horn; the issue is how _we_ respond when faced with the Books of the Suns of Various Lengths -- -- specifically, the question "How the hell are we supposed to know what actually _happened_?" How are we to make (narrative) sense of this welter of provenances and possible provenances, this scribbling of narrators and editors, interpolators and (maybe) copyists, any one of whom _may_ be almost-arbitrarily unreliable? Taking my hypothesis for truth, for the moment: Wolfe is enabled to do this precisely because his texts are located at a peculiar node of the textus of Western culture, a time when the authority of narrativity has been somewhat- successfully challenged by relativistic narrative, unreliable narrators, subjectivism, and postmodernity; but he is writing within a narrower tradition (science fiction) where the objectivity of narrative has remained relatively unchallenged. Using the tools provided by the larger cultural movements, he is writing, for an audience who expects narrative to narrate an objectively-consistent and determinable series of events, in such a way that the seriese of events may be objectively consistent, but whose objectivity remains beyond the grasp of that audience. No. Let me take a step back from that position. It is much easier to imagine a reader who accepts the events at their face value, and believes that she has thus grasped the objective flow of events, than it is (for me) to imagine one who believes that Crane's hypothesis is a plausible (plausible from our, outside-the-narrative, hypothetically- objective, standpoint) explanation of Silk's enlightenment. But I believe that this would be a fairly unthoughtful reader, and not one likely to be a great fan of Wolfe's. My point (All together now... "and I do have one") is that the position into which Wolfe places _us_, vis-a-vis the events which hypothetically underlie the LONG/SUN books, is homologous to the position in which an engaged and thoughtful reader, even a skeptical one, finds herself when vis-a-vis the events which hypothetically underlie the Gospels -- "Layer 1 of Gospel formation," to use the RCC terminology: the actual events, _whatever they were_, that occurred in Judaea and the surrounding area ca. 4BC-33AD. (That "fairly unthoughtful" reader, in fact, would be in a position homologous to that of of a "every word of Scripture is literally factual" fundamentalist.) I am not, of course, prepared to state that this was Wolfe's intent. I do not claim to know his intent. I am stating that this is an interesting homology, a use to which the Books can be put, if you will; and that I would not be surprised to learn that this was _one_ of Wolfe's reasons for writing them the way he did, rather than some other way. In an ideal world I should like to ask him about it, but this is not an ideal world, and I don't expect the opportunity to arise any time soon. --Blattid *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/ *To leave the list, send "unsubscribe" to whorl-request@lists.best.com *If it's Wolfe but not Long Sun, please use the URTH list: urth@lists.best.com