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From: "Roy C. Lackey" <rclackey@stic.net> Subject: (urth) Re: The Contessa Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:01:27 Tony Ellis wrote: >>Either you two are missing the point or I am <g>. She isn't "in the role of" the Contessa, she -is- the Contessa. She's being arrested for whatever reason the Contessa was being arrested in the play (although I seem to recall she wasn't being arrested at all, but escorted). There's no suggestion that she and Severian have met before at court or anything: Severian specifically says that her face wasn't known to him. He "recognizes" her and she him because this moment has happened before - in the sub-reality of Dr Talos's play. That's why Severian sees in the Contessa's eyes the recognition that they are both in "a drama that had been played out before", or words to that effect.<< You're right; escorted, not arrested, is better. Remember: Nessus is already underwater, the Urth is coming to an end very quickly, and people know it. So why would anyone be wasting time bothering with this woman for any Urthly reason? How about an Ushasly (sic?) reason? The events of the play are a parody of Urth's last day, parts of which Sev witnesses and relates. I say parody because the play only approximates what actually happens and some of the player's roles are conflated. That the woman Sev sees in the Path of Air is the play's Contessa is undoubted. But is that the only drama being reprised? BTW, some of the arguments made here were first advanced by Robert Borski. See his 4-8-99 post. mantis has argued that Catherine and Katharine are the same person. Compare the "Contessa's" description: "At first I could not see her eyes, which were bent toward the floor and lost in her raven-dark hair. Then (I could not tell by what chance) she glanced up at me. Hers was a lovely face of that complexion called olive and as smoothly oval as an olive, too, with something in it that tore my heart; and though it was strange to me, I had the sensation of return once again." With that of "Katharine" at the Feast: "She was tall and slender, though not so tall nor so slender as Thecla, dark of complexion, dark of eye, raven of hair. Hers was such a face as I have never seen elsewhere, like a pool of pure water found in the midst of a wood." Note the mirror imagery of the water (I believe this has been pointed out before). Could Sev be seeing his own image in her face and not realize it? He couldn't see his similarity to Ouen, though others could. He didn't recognize his own image on coins. Also, many mirrors are oval-shaped. Dark complexion, dark eyes, raven hair; from Wolfe what more can you expect? See also where Sev meets Ouen in _Citadel_. And the Contessa's line from the play (spoken to Meschia): "If my body held a part of yours--liquescent tissue locked in my loins..." Echoes of the conception of the White Fountain? Aka New Sun, aka Severian? Roy *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/