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From: "Jonathan Laidlow" <LAIDLOJM@hhs.bham.ac.uk> Subject: (urth) de Sade, Plato, and Jack the Ripper..... Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:43:06 GMT 'With its references to DeSade, Plato and Jack the Ripper, this is a fully realized culture, utterly strange and utterly believeable, as might be expected from the author of 'The Fifth Head of Cerberus'' - - Algys Budrys, review of 'Shadow of the Torturer', The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction vol.58 no. 5 May 1980. As I became bored of de Sade (!), am ignorant of Plato, and just plain confused by Ripperology, where are these references? Wouldn't it be fun if we teased them out? Jonathan Visit Ultan's Library - A Gene Wolfe web resource http://members.tripod.co.uk/laidlow/index.htm Jonathan Laidlow University of Birmingham, UK *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/