From: "Jack and Melissa Holcomb" <jackandmel@socket.net>
Subject: Re: (urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n174
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 02:38:13 

Whoa, cowboy.  Look, Rob, you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but
then, so is Jeff.  What's more, Jeff was pretty careful about framing every
criticism he made of New Sun as his own reaction -- "for me" and so forth,
ya see? -- and not as gospel truth (or gospel truth's inverse, heresy).
Don't jump all over him, tell him to shut up, and imply that he doesn't
understand the book, just because he expressed his opinion about it.  That's
just damn rude.  And so far I've been so impressed with the congeniality of
this list.

And for the record, I dig BotNS best, although Urth is optional.  And I
would agree that the Soldier books are the second-best thing Wolfe's
written.

Jack


> Ok, that deserves crucifiction, though I will agree that Urth of the new
sun
> is certainly the best part of the book of the new sun,  it is heresy to
say
> that the book of the new sun is inferior to the long sun.  The long sun
> series does have more value in the traditional sf/fantasy plotline of
being
> really clear about what the plot is and the good guys vs bad guys theme,
> but the lack of that was what I think really made Book of The New Sun
> unique;  it is not a fantasy story,  it is like reality merged with the
text
> of some lost holy book.  I will be the first to agree that the Book of the
> New Sun is not for everyone,  but do not call it inferior until you
> understand it.
>
> -Rob
> -----Original Message-----
>
> >From: Redhaven1@aol.com
> >Subject: Long Sun vs. New Sun
> >Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:53:23 EST
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> >
> >Please don't crucify me. . .
> >
> >    I got started on Wolfe when I was sick in the hospital.  My parents
> >offered to pick up some books to help pass the time and I suggested a
book
> I
> >had heard of called The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe.  The only
Wolfe
> >books Border's had were the last two books of the Long Sun series.
> Frankly,
> >I'm glad it was these two or I wouldn't be posting on this list today.  I
> >loved Calde and Exodus and immediately began to try to read all the Wolfe
> >books I could find.  I ordered the Book of the New Sun as a single volumn
> >from the book club I was in.  Upon reading it I was extremely
> dissappointed.
> >I didn't think it was near as good as the Long Sun.  To me, it seemed
like
> a
> >strange, disjointed fairy-tale that kinda wanted to be sci-fi.  I admit,
> the
> >mood of the entire work was beautifully haunting, and when I get arround
to
> >reading it a second time I'll probably find a hundered things I missed,
but
> >in my view New Sun was the worst, Urth of the New Sun was little better,
> and
> >Long Sun was best.  Short Sun is shaping up to be the best yet.  Well,
> that's
> >my two bits.  I just felt I had to defend the Long Sun, because it's what
> got
> >me hooked.  If I had started on New Sun, I don't think I'd be a Wolfe
fan.
> >
> >-Steve
> >
> >
> >--------------- MESSAGE urth.v028.n174.3 ---------------
> >
> >From: Inire <inire@yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: (urth) Wolfe does Star Trek
> >Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:42:22 -0800 (PST)
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> >
> >
> >
> >--- Nicholas Gevers <vermoulian@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> For news of GW's next series--a New Sun/Star Trek
> >> crossover starting with HE'S DEAD, SEVERIAN
> >
> > <Sound of falling onto floor, gasping, choking,
> >giggling>
> >
> >--see
> >> today's "Locus Online Buys Simon & Schuster" entry
> >> on
> >> LOCUS ONLINE (www.locusmag.com).
> >>
> > <more snorting, complete breaths being taken now> Oh
> >lord, THAT was a rich one! ;-D  And the sad thing is,
> >nobody in RL that I know would know What The HELL I
> >was talking about if I said that! A great joke,
> >wasted.
> >
> >Kudos to Locus!
> >
> >=====
> >Jeff "My dice hate me!" Miller      ICQ# 57242517
> >
> >"The idea of verifying facts about the world through controlled
repetition
> seems alien to just about everyone with the _possible_ exception of Fr
> Inire, and he's a bug-eyed space monster. . ."-Jim Henley, on the URTH
list
> >
> >Gaming to keep War out of RealTime!        '82 GS650G
> >Specify Type Of Goat
> >
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