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From: Alex David Groce <Alex_Groce@gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: (urth) Pelagianism Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:50:59 It would make considerable sense as an intentional linkage. Vodalus, for one thing, is an ally of the Ascians. Ascia is, among other things, Wolfe's version of a Communist state. The idea that Communism is a kind of radical Christian heresy, sometimes considered an extension of a particularly extreme Pelagianism, is well-known. In this case, also, the rejection of the doctrine of Original Sin can probably be fruitfully compared to Vodalus' goals of returning to the stars and empire--never mind those interfering "holy slave" busybodies, reclaiming man's lost glory. Chesterton's HERETICS probably wasn't the first place where the identification (not a main point of the book) of modern non-Christian ideologies with old and still-kicking Christian heresies was made, but I'll bet Wolfe's read it, along with a number of other writers who've taken this approach (after all, Wolfe says his political views were once well-described by the phrase "Buckley conservative", and Buckley can't mention Communism without saying "immanentize the eschaton" at least twice). More generally, beyond Pelagianism, Wolfe certainly (in New Sun) allies all his players with faiths, true or false--and marks the false ones as such by indicating that their "line to the Increate" is broken. Certainly Baldanders is not the (I think Wolfe would say mythical) rational scientist, but a follower of a rigorous doctrine (his action with the Claw, for instance). All of these doctrines, though, even in Long Sun, where they more clearly are based in part on other religions, and even the "witch-doctors" of the jungle, are, in Wolfe's world, derived from and broken off in reaction against the Increate/Outsider, and thus heresies rather than true, free-standing systems. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32 -- Alex David Groce (agroce+@cs.cmu.edu) Ph.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department 8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/