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From: Alex David Groce <Alex_Groce@gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: (urth) A Pullman Car on the Wolfe Train Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:30:51 Dan'l wrote: > No. Once is a joke. Twice might be jokes. Three or four times, let > alone the dozens of things that have similar quasi-referentiality to > our world For examplw: all the places with same or similar names -- > I could almost grant that if only as a conceptual "translation" to > give readers a clear sense of the geography. But the titles of > persons [various Oxonian titles], the references to historical > persons [i.e., Manicheeism] ... the fact that the [European] culture > of TGC's world is so _similar_ to ours, I suppose, is what bothers > me most. It seems to lack a certain kind of inventiveness that I > would hope would go into working out the ramifications of such a > radically _different_ Earth. Well, I haven't yet read TGC, but this is pretty common in alternate history fantasy. Canonical examples of worlds that would _really_ involve a lot less common names and history would include John Ford's _The Dragon Waiting_ (which, for on-topicness, Wolfe has said very nice things about, with justification) and/or the Randall Garrett books. Is Pullman doing anything different than that? Restricting the changes because you want the frisson of John Calvin/Richard III/etc. in different roles in your world vs. people nobody has heard of and who have no connotations seems like perfectly legitimate fictional technique. -- "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32 -- Alex David Groce (agroce+@cs.cmu.edu) Ph.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department 8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/