From: "Andy Robertson" 
Subject: Re: (urth) Irritating Loonies and Planet of the Grapes
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:58:13 -0000

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From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" 
>
> 1. Some of the details of tBotSS can be explained by
>    hypothesizing that Blue/Green is a far-future or
>    far-past of Urth/Lune.
>
> "Well, then, how did the _Whorl_ get back to the Urth/Lune system?"


I don't really see the problem with this in the first place.    The Whorl
could simply go and come back.  Time dilation would handle the problem
neatly.

The more central problem is the statement that the old red sun of Urth could
be seen in the night sky.

I think it is time to confess that we can only hold on to the idea that
Blue/Green are Ushas/Lune by assuming that this statement is erroneous or
symbolic.


>
> True. But I don't think he lets the story get in the way of (at
> least) plausible science, either - all of these seem to me to
> fall under the rubric of a technology that can control gravity,
> which means a radical shift from any of our current theories of
> how the universe is put together.
>

A simple question here.

I have the impression that the connection between The Long Sun books and the
New Sun books has become closer over time.    I feel that , yes,Wolfe
originally intended the gods of the Whorl to be a reference to Typhon &c:
but that when he started the Long Sun sequence he had no clear idea that he
would have Severian turning up again, or that the connection between the
Short Sun books and the New Sun books would be so intimate.

I wonder if Wolfe has wavered in his own mind as to the nature of
Blue/Green?    If, to be blasphemous, he is not *himself* sure whether these
are Ushas and Lune?


    hartshorn











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