Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:11:42 -0600
From: James Jordan 
Subject: Re: (urth) Thecla's Lunatic Irritation

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At 11:30 AM 3/5/2002, you wrote:

>I think Mantis's "magical thinking" idea may have some merit, but even
>so - what happens to the victims of the Revolutionary isn't merely
>suicidal depression; the "demon" is actively sadistic and seeks to
>make the "host" _suffer_. (Suicidally depressed persons, deprived of
>the means of suicide, do not in general begin clawing at their own
>skin.) Whatever the Revolutionary does is significantly more complex
>than this.
>
>Nonetheless, there is at least some hope for a solution in the
>magical thinking idea. If the Lupiverse contains angel-equivalents
>like the hierodules, then magical thinking not only permits but
>seems to _require_ that we hypothesize demon-equivalents: and I
>see no reason why the Revolutionary might not actually summon one
>and instil it into the victim.
>
>--Blattid

Another aspect is that the demon made or called by the Revolutionary 
corresponds to the Vodalus Revolutionary party within the Commonwealth. 
They are bringing about the suicide of Urth, necessitating the New Sun. 
And, in Wolfean (Catholic) thinking, I should think that being a 
"revolutionary" is precisely what Old Adam was at the beginning.
         Thecla's being "born again" (resurrected) in Severian parallels 
the black-holed sun's being born again through Severian, and the death and 
resurrection of Urth. Adam the Revolutionary is saved and regenerated.

Nutria


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At 11:30 AM 3/5/2002, you wrote:


I think Mantis's "magical
thinking" idea may have some merit, but even

so - what happens to the victims of the Revolutionary isn't merely 

suicidal depression; the "demon" is actively sadistic and seeks
to 

make the "host" _suffer_. (Suicidally depressed persons,
deprived of

the means of suicide, do not in general begin clawing at their own

skin.) Whatever the Revolutionary does is significantly more 
complex

than this.


Nonetheless, there is at least some hope for a solution in the 

magical thinking idea. If the Lupiverse contains angel-equivalents

like the hierodules, then magical thinking not only permits but

seems to _require_ that we hypothesize demon-equivalents: and I

see no reason why the Revolutionary might not actually summon one

and instil it into the victim.


--Blattid


Another aspect is that the demon made or called by the Revolutionary
corresponds to the Vodalus Revolutionary party within the Commonwealth.
They are bringing about the suicide of Urth, necessitating the New Sun.
And, in Wolfean (Catholic) thinking, I should think that being a
"revolutionary" is precisely what Old Adam was at the
beginning. 

        Thecla's
being "born again" (resurrected) in Severian parallels the
black-holed sun's being born again through Severian, and the death and
resurrection of Urth. Adam the Revolutionary is saved and regenerated.



Nutria



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