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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:56:39 -0500
From: James Jordan 
Subject: Re: (urth) Some problems if the Pancreator/Outsider is the

At 11:45 AM 6/9/2002 -0500,Steve S. wrote:

>The lapsing of the church and of the sacraments would be more troubling,
>theologically, I agree.  But it hasn't necessarily happened in Wolfe's
>world.  For one thing, the race of mankind has spread to other stars.  That
>the Christian church may have died on one planet would not preclude the
>possibility that a remnant remains.  Part of what Wolfe is writing about is
>a society caught up in idolatry and the breaking in of the Outsider (as a
>thief) into that world; the lapse of the church into idolatry and the
>diminution of the Outsider's role in the culture's worldview is an component
>of that endeavor.

         I think that's reasonable, but also...

>Don't know if I have anything to add to your point about the flood.  Maybe,
>the idea is that the world was already destroyed, had run down, and the New
>Sun is its rebirth, not destruction.

.... remember that Urth is a universe-cycle before ours. These events 
predate the promise to Noah by about 50 billion years maybe. We don't know 
that such a promise had been given to any Urnoah in Urth history. Nor, 
returning to the first point, do we have to assume that God managed Briah 
precisely the same way He manages our cycle.



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