From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes"
Subject: RE: (urth) War With The Ascians as a Proxy War? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:52:57 -0700 Welcome, Crush. You wrote... > Hey, I'm also new. The Acian War *could* be thought of as a proxy war, > but it could just as easily be viewed as a resistance war against > an occupying force. If there is any correlation between the Acian War > and the War of Heaven, THAT is certainly closer to the way I've always > viewed my Christian participation. Right. A big help with understanding this concept when I was much younger was John Donne's sonnet "Batter my heart, three-person'd God," which is one of the most vivid presentations of "spiritual warfare" and the fight to retake the "occupied" territory of the human soul, which I have ever encountered. > Actually the word "pagan" (according to Henry Chadwick) was a > Roman military term for "civilian"-so a pagan was one who had > yet to become involved in the war. I am not knowing from Henry Chadwick. Merriam-Webster's online gives this for the etymology of Pagan: Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, country dweller, from pagus country district; akin to Latin pangere to fix -- more at PACT Under PACT, we find this: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin pactum, from neuter of pactus, past participle of pacisci to agree, contract; akin to Old English fOn to seize, Latin pax peace, pangere to fix, fasten, Greek pEgnynai So, wow: "pagan" turns out to be related to "peace." But, more to the point, Andrew's "bit of pedantry" seems to be pretty accurate. Which doesn't really make any problems with this: > In this light, the Acians could be viewed as a fifth column > brigade. The hieros seem to view themselves as our "descendents". > Who knows the true pedigree of Erebus and Abaia? Well, right. There's hints in tBotNS that they're alien, though I can't recall an explicit statement on the subject. TBotSS seems to suggest that Scylla, at least, is related to the "Mother" of Blue. --Blattid --