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From: "Roy C. Lackey" <rclackey@stic.net>
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Subject: Re: (urth) PEACE: 3 Misses
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:19:04 -0500
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Matthew responding to me:
>> I can make nothing of "Tyler".
>
>Not having read Peace I have no idea if there's any relevance
but the word
>can mean door or gate keeper. Archaic and obsolete except
in Masonic
>Lodges where the additional meaning of keeping out the
uninitiated applies
>and Tyler is a formal position. To tyle the lodge; bar the doors
assured
>that only the aurhorised are within.
So, Helen Birkhead Tyler yields . . .?
torch + shininghead (?) + gate
keeper(?)
flame-topped gate keeper?
Like the cherubim with flaming swords at the gates of Eden, guarding
the way
to the tree of life?
-Roy
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From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes"
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To: "'urth@urth.net'" <urth@urth.net>
Subject: (urth) Coldhouse Banshee
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:00 -0700
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Good heavens ... Stone Ox has brought up a marvellous
correspondence,
and then missed something that ... well, I guess it isn't obvious
because I never saw it before either, but somehow it jumped out of
his posting at me:
> Jack stays in the barn haunted by the banshee three
nights.
...as does the coldhouse prank victim (Friday, Saturday, Sunday
nights).
Okay, then: making the banshee story as abstract as possible... J
wants very badly a treasure in F's possession. F dislikes / looks
down
on J / regards J as a poor recipient for the treasure, but for some
reason does not give an outright "No." Instead, he sets J
to spend three
nights in a place which should kill him.
Now, one of the things the embedded stories in PEACE seem to do is
to
provide better or happier endings to some of the situations in
Weer's
life. So I am moved to speculate that the Coldhouse Prank was not a
prank at all, but a deliberat attempt to keep a "real
world" (Weer's
reality) J from acquiring something that a "real world" F
did not want
him to have but could not deny him.
To those for whom the book is fresher in their minds than it is in
mine, then: Do any possible real-world F's and J's come to mind?
The
most obvious candidate for F would be Julius, who owns the barn
/
coldhouse... is this even plausible? And if so, who would be
J?
(Is this another candidate for when Den "really"
died?)
--Blattid
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:59:19 -0700
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From: Michael Andre-Driussi <mantis@siriusfiction.com>
Subject: (urth) Coldhouse Den-die
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Blattid, regarding the coldhouse prank death, wrote:
>(Is this another candidate for when Den "really"
died?)
Well, er, yes and no.
If Weer is lying about his age at the time (invalidating the big
anchor for
the current operating timeline), then the coldhouse death could be
his own,
just as he might be a dead boy next to his chemistry set.
(And he would lie about his age ostensibly to distance himself from
the
prank if he was the perpetrator, too. In addition to lying
about his age
to avoid facing the fact that he himself died there.)
But if Weer is not lying about his age, and the victim's details are
true,
then no, the death cannot be Weer's.
=mantis=
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From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes"
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To: "'urth@urth.net'" <urth@urth.net>
Subject: RE: (urth) Coldhouse Den-die
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:23:21 -0700
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> Blattid, regarding the coldhouse prank death, wrote:
> >(Is this another candidate for when Den "really"
died?)
>
> Well, er, yes and no.
>
> If Weer is lying about his age at the time (invalidating the
> big anchor for the current operating timeline), then
the
> coldhouse death could be his own, just as he might be a
> dead boy next to his chemistry set.
Which was in fact my point ... This is just a goof, really, but
it's a stfnal idea that I've played with many time and never
come up with a good storyline for ... I've often had the idea
of, well, if you can have multiple-sheaf futures, why not
multiple-
sheaf pasts? And then what if Alden, the Reasonably Friendly Ghost,
actually has lived multiple versions of his life and died at
several different points along the timeline ... ? It would
certainly clear up (by making irrelevant) many of the
inconsistencies in the storyline(s). So he died of a stroke,
and
he died playing with his chemistry set, and he died in the
coldhouse prank ... Just a goof, as I said.
But I'm dead serious about the coldhouse == the barn.
--Blattid
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:27:21 +0000 (GMT)
From: Josh Geller <dclxvi@dclxvi.best.vwh.net>
To: urth@urth.net
Subject: (urth) The Devil In A Forest and St. Olaf of Norway
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The Devil In A Forest is perhaps a minor work, but an
extremely
interesting one.
There's a hamlet in the woods, the woodcutters who are relics of
a
previous stage of civilization, a bandit who is a woodcutter
aristocrat, a
witch who knows the technology of the old civilization, megalithic
ruins
that are 'not a town' etc.
This is one of the most valuable books for people trying to
understand the
old civilization of Europe.
There's a story about King Olaf the Holy of Norway. See, it was
generally
known that he was a reincarnation of Olaf Geirstadtalf, who was
buried in
the mound at Geirstadt. There had been a prophecy to the effect, he
had
Olaf G.'s sword that came out of the mound etc. The problem was that
St.
Olaf was occupied with the forcible Christianization of Norway, and
it
sort of looked bad that a Christian king should be an incarnate elf.
So
they did a little stage play, where the King and some of his
companions
(who would also have been out of the mound, by the old way) went to
Olaf
G's mound on horseback and one of the companions asked the King
if
he didn't remember when they had been there before, and St. Olaf
answered
that it was not possible for a person to live more than once,
because you
lived once, died once and were resurrected once on the Last Day.
Then he
was overcome with emotion and rode away, because (in my view) what
he was
saying was so much at conflict with the reality.
Wolfe has a good grasp on all of this, as he shows in 'Devil' and
also in
the Latro books.
.
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