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From: "James Wynn"Subject: RE: (urth) Musk's dagger? Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:38:43 -0600 Roy sneered: I must be getting senile, because I just re-read the LS series this autumn and completely missed those two "facts". Could you tell me where in the texts they might be found? Crush responds: I'm not sure to which "facts" you are referring? That "civet" is synonymous with Musk? That it is an Arabic word? That Musk was the original owner of Chenille's knife? That Poppy lied to help cover it up? You're making this difficult for me since *I* do not feel free to use intellectual hand-waving to clear-up tricky portions in the narrative by saying, "that fact is irrelevant" or "Silk wasn't thinking clearly." In the posting http://urth.net/urth/archives/v0210/1933.txt.shtml I detailed fairly extensively why I believe Musk is the "cat" on the dagger. "That's irrelevant" was your only response. I'll offer another. After Musk strikes Silk with a velveted paw, the very next time Silk lays eyes on him, he is standing side-by-side with Chenille. Musk has returned to continue his cat and mouse game. The first thing he does *according to the text* is: "Catlike, he stalked across the sellaria to seat himself in Silk's reading chair." (LS2:3) IMO Musk might as well be wearing a costume pilfered from an Andrew Lloyd Weber musical. Roy continues: I wonder why, when Marble was murdering Musk, Silk noted: "The perverse self-forged discipline of the Orilla broke at last; Musk screamed and continued to scream, each pause and gasp followed by a scream weaker and more terrible." LS3:3 Is there an Orilla in Trivigaunte? Crush ponders: Don't forget that Silk doesn't note this, Horn does. Is there an Orilla in Viron? On my reading I only noticed this one reference to it, but I probably I missed or forgot about the others. The word "orilla" means literally "border". If I read the narrative the way you *claim* to, I would speculate that this reference means Musk came from the border of Viron and someplace else. Hmmm. I can't imagine where. But I *don't* read it that way. I'm aware that "orilla" is a word for a working-class district in Buenos Aires. "Orilla" could be merely Horn's word for people from the lower class. Or perhaps I'm wrong that Musk came from Trivigaunte. If Musk is not a Trivigaunte spy, in that case unique among Blood's employ, and who despite his apparent sadism, inexplicably stops Blood from killing Silk at his house... "Blood took Hyacinth's little needler from his waistband, thumbed off its safety catch, and aimed it carefully at Silk's chest. Musk frowned and touched Blood's arm." (LS 1:7) ...and if Musk is not from Trivigaunte despite his name associations, and his ignorance of the workings of monitors after (surely) *a good deal more* than 3 years at Blood's house (note that Auk does not suffer from this ignorance)... ...That doesn't affect the very reasonable conclusion that the knife was Musk's originally and that Poppy lied to help cover it up. Musk = Civet = Cat. Poppy's lie is not "irrelevant" whatever conclusion one comes to. Speaking of irrelevant, I seem to recall that my original point was that Musk and Chenille had a connection and so perhaps Musk was Chenille's "friend". As you have shown, that friend was Auk - and exposed peculiar narrative complexities in the bargain. -- Crush --