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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:27:21 -0700
Subject: Re: (urth) miracle of Apu-punchau, past
From: Lisa Schaffer-Doggett 

Don materializes from his past, or your future, or the future of our 
past present.  Something.

It's an appealing theory Marc, but I don't think it works.  For one 
thing, It is the Cumaen who facilitates Severian and Hildegrin's trip 
to Apu Punchau's time.  Also, Severian (in UotNS it is Severian not AP. 
  IMHO he has replaced both AP and the Conciliator, or simply assumed 
their function, perhaps through his own design or maybe through the 
machinations of the Hieros.  In one sense they are him and he is them, 
but he is also something more.) does not do anything to cause the 
"miracle".  It apears to be syncronicity.  On top of that the two 
occurrences are completely separate.  The incident with Severian and 
Hildegrin has no part in the "miracle".  Oh yeah, I think too that the 
Cumaen called AP and his city into the future rather than sending Sev 
and Hildegrin into the past.
Just my two cents.

Don Doggett

On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 11:59 PM, maa32 wrote:

> The miracle of Apu-punchau.  What does he do at the end of Claw of the
> Conciliator?  He calls the future Severian and the whole city back in 
> time.
> He doesn't go forward: Severian goes back.  That's the miracle of 
> Apu-Punchau.
> To hide the sun, he creates a huge eclipse.  He swaps the moon ... for 
> the
> future Urth.  He calls the Urth back in time, and instead of bringing 
> a New
> Sun, Severian has simply called the whole Urth back to the past where 
> the Sun
> is still New.  He didn't bring it.  He's a phony!  The melting ice and 
> the
> high tides and the atmospheric disturbances are caused by the 
> dislocation of
> Urth, which screws up the orbital system and leaves us with ... Blue 
> and
> Green.  So ... the Lune that Rudesind talks about is actually Urth ... 
> it used
> to be smaller because it used to be a lifeless rock ... now it's Urth, 
> a much
> larger satellite copy called back from the future by Apu Punchau.
> -- 


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