From: "Jeff Veyera"
Subject: RE: (urth) Generational Starship? Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:55:04 -0700 I don't believe Tzadkiel travels via a solar sail, but through a = principle similar to Father Inire's mirrors (which, not incidentally, = Severian compares the "sails" to during his walk outside the ship). = This is also consistent with the theory offered as to where the apports = come from, and of Briah and Yesod as different universes. In short, is it not reasonable to view Tzadkiel as a hyperspace ship = traveling between universes, and Whorl as a spaceship traveling within = one universe? =20 Teflon -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Crill [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 1:47 AM To: email@example.com Subject: (urth) Generational Starship? teflon wrote: >I think we're missing something here. Tzadkiel wasn't a simple = spaceship. It crossed the gap between universes, between Briah and = Yesod. =20 >Whorl never left Briah, as I understand it. It simply traversed normal = space between stars. If it had been capable of >hyperspace, it no doubt = not have been a generational starship. =20 Tzadkiel's ship didn't have some mystical means of transportation. It = simply sailed. The refernces to it the Ship swimming in and out of the = streams of time simply means that it travels faster than the speed of = light. In Urth page 186 Gunny says: "The ship's leaving eternity now, = slowing down so the tender can find her. Until she slows down, she isn't = really a ship at all, did you know? We're like a wave, or a shout going = through the universe." This is a clear description of faster-than-light = travel. =20 Also note that the two universes Yesod and Briah are made of the same = stuff. Energy pours from Yesod to Briah through white fountains, but its = the same energy. For a ship to sail between the two doesn't necessarily = require something other than "a simple spaceship". Who says the Whorl is = "a simple spaceship" anyway? Q=14v+?z=17 =0C N rzgv =1C&?=1A?? w --