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From: Michael Straight <straight@email.unc.edu> Subject: Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v012.n106 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:26:27 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Timothy Reilly wrote: > blows this out by using "god" to mean almost anything, and thereby depriving > the concept of any real meaning. At least, I can't define what a "god" > means in TBSS. If it can mean a space alien (the Mother), why aren't the > Neighbours (or even theoretically the inhumi) "gods"? They're not, but the > Neighbours we're told have "gods" of their own. We're never told the > difference even in the Narrator's mind between all these. [snip] One > wonders what his definition of a god is. My impression is that Horn uses the same definition I used when listing the gods of Earth; a god is one who has been worshipped[1] by somebody sometime somewhere. Gods can be powerful, not powerful, space aliens, not space aliens, existent or non-existent. Horn|Silk does muse about whether a given god is a "true" god, which seems to mean that the god really exists and is really powerful (e.g. Pas loses points for being stuck on the whorl), and maybe even that the god is worthy of one's trust/love/worship (that seems to be what is meant when Silk is said to have not credited any god save the Outsider when he knew firsthand that Scylla was real and powerful). -Rostrum [1] Using a broad definition of worship to include fear, desire to placate, or even recognize with respect--I'm not sure the Greeks or the Chinese actually worshipped every god they told stories about, but their recognizing them as gods is what makes them gods in the sense Horn seems to use the word. Even if nobody worships Quadrafons, he's still a god because he's listed as such in the Writings. -Rostrum *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/ *To leave the list, send "unsubscribe" to whorl-request@lists.best.com *If it's Wolfe but not Long Sun, please use the URTH list: urth@lists.best.com