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From: "James Wynn" 
Subject: Re: (urth) Rape in Wolfe
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:43:58 -0500

More preemptive shots

I just remembered Io in SotM. But that wasn't really a rape "scene" was it?
It is vaguely alluded to (which is probably why I keep forgetting about it).

And in reading the posts from this weekend I see someone has noted a rape in
tBotSS. I haven't finished that yet so I'll have to give it to you. But,
neither of the two I know about are dealt with favorably IMO and neither
made me as uncomfortable as say the rape scene in Donaldson's "Lord Foul's
Bane" (to pick a quite mainstream example) which was surely not the most
shocking but dealt with rather sympathetically from the POV of the

Any others from Wolfe?

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From: "James Wynn" 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:01 PM
Subject: (urth) Rape and Misogyny in Wolfe

> I feeling pretty dense right now since I can think of only one rape in my
> reading of Wolfe right now: the infamous act by Severian on the
> semi-conscious Jolenta. I'm tracing my memory for any others and I just
> can't come up with any others -- I recently re-read tFHoC and I don't
> a rape of a female slave.
> I for one would appreciate a listing of the rapes -- particularly any
> as Salvation" events (the Jolenta one does not apply IMO).
> Also, it has been frequently reference that Wolfe exhibits misogyny. I've
> yet to encounter it (and notice it -- which may be revealing about me).
> curious what other readers have read in Wolfe that they consider to be
> misogynistic. Possibly it is in works I've yet to read.
> As a premtive shot, I don't consider the Trivigaunti to an example of
> misogyny. Trivigaunte does not seem to be anymore distopian than Viron
> is quite machismotic -- and we are constantly reminded that men aren't
> treated any worse there than women are in Viron.
> --- Crush
> --


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