From: "James Wynn"
Subject: Re: (urth) Rape in Wolfe Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:43:58 -0500 More preemptive shots I just remembered Io in SotM. But that wasn't really a rape "scene" was it? It is vaguely alluded to (which is probably why I keep forgetting about it). And in reading the posts from this weekend I see someone has noted a rape in tBotSS. I haven't finished that yet so I'll have to give it to you. But, neither of the two I know about are dealt with favorably IMO and neither made me as uncomfortable as say the rape scene in Donaldson's "Lord Foul's Bane" (to pick a quite mainstream example) which was surely not the most shocking but dealt with rather sympathetically from the POV of the protagonist. Any others from Wolfe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Wynn" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: (urth) Rape and Misogyny in Wolfe > I feeling pretty dense right now since I can think of only one rape in my > reading of Wolfe right now: the infamous act by Severian on the > semi-conscious Jolenta. I'm tracing my memory for any others and I just > can't come up with any others -- I recently re-read tFHoC and I don't recall > a rape of a female slave. > > I for one would appreciate a listing of the rapes -- particularly any "Rape > as Salvation" events (the Jolenta one does not apply IMO). > > Also, it has been frequently reference that Wolfe exhibits misogyny. I've > yet to encounter it (and notice it -- which may be revealing about me). I'm > curious what other readers have read in Wolfe that they consider to be > misogynistic. Possibly it is in works I've yet to read. > > As a premtive shot, I don't consider the Trivigaunti to an example of > misogyny. Trivigaunte does not seem to be anymore distopian than Viron which > is quite machismotic -- and we are constantly reminded that men aren't > treated any worse there than women are in Viron. > > --- Crush > > > > -- --